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    Anti-Psychotics & Some Dangers of Long Time Use!

    > Anti-psychotics including... Haldol, Mellaril, Prolixin, Thorazine & Others, are used for the treatment of schizophrenia & for the pacification of the Unruly, the Unseemly & the Hallucinating. How anti-psychotics work is not completely understood, but they are known to reduce levels of dopamine, a neuro-transmitter. The preferred method of administration is orally by tablet, or by liquid if the "patient" is a crafty devil known to spit out their meds!

    > Anti-psychotics are favored by the staff of in-patient facilities because of their strong sedative effect. Before, their charges were swearing, growling, playing with their own s***, and masturbating at dinner; Now they sure are quiet. A cure would be cool, but peace will do in a pinch. So long as there's always somebody screaming and thrashing around, nobody will ever get a smoke break.

    > An advertisement in medical journals shows an angry young Hispanic in denim and bandannas snarling at the camera. the copy warned; "He's Psychotic, He's Violent & He's Threatening Your staff". the Solution? "Haldol; from Crisis to Control".

    > In the past there have been reports of "spiking" the drinking water with anti-psychotics in large, public psychiatric hospitals. While this does produce an atmosphere of tranquility, it is not without risk! the path to synthetic serenity is riddled with Dangerous & Uncomfortable Side-Effects!!!

    > Consider a brief excerpt from one warning sheet ( package insert ),
    "an extra-pyramidal symptom ( EPS ) causes muscles on the back to tighten-up involuntarily & if left untreated to long, the effect can proceed to the throat, causing the muscles to contract, leading to death by asphyxiation! Here are a few more... "mask-like faces, drooling, tremors, pill-rolling motions, cogwheel rigidity & shuffling gate". the same sheet also warns doctors that patients are more likely than usual to drown in their own vomit!

    > the Grand Prize side-effect is the drug-induced spaz attack known as tardive-dyskinesa ( TD ). the patient is transformed into a grimacing Energizer Bunny, forever puttering around, puffing their cheeks, poking out their tongue, twitching their arms. If the patient is kept on these meds too long, the condition is permanent. This makes the ingestion of anti-psychotics a game of psycho-pharmacological Russian Roulette; if you take the drug, your symptoms will abate for now, but you might be stuck with a permanent case of TD. the odds worsen in direct proportion to the amount ingested & how long the drug taken.

    > And once you have TD, you might as well stay in the asylum. You would be hard pressed to distinguish between a Raving nut and a person who's been taking their med's too long! Are they shaking their arms & blinking their eyes at you to signal the "Space Aliens" are back, or is it just that they can't keep still no matter how hard they try?

    > In all likelihood, thou, it usually takes years of daily dosing for this to happen, but this is not an uncommon occurrence.

    > If you are committed involuntarily your case is brought up for review once every 6 months. A multi-year stay in a state facility is quite possible, if you don't have any friends or family on the outside, or if the doctors don't like you. One good way to get the doctors to hate you is to complain about or spit out your pills. Who but a Paranoid would claim that the doctors are intentionally hurting them by giving them "bad medicine"?

    > Even outpatients aren't safe. A popular tactic for farming crazies out into the community is to make their continued liberty contingent on random urine testing. This is to be sure that they're taking their meds as directed. More difficult customers have slow-release chunks of their assigned anti-psychotic implanted surgically, Norplant-style... No rest for the Wacky!

    > Of course, with very careful & proper pharmaceutical treatment, these drugs do release many mental patients from their anguished condition and allow them to lead more-or-less normal lives!


    ( All somewhat sarcastic opinions are the Authors & in no way represent the beliefs of medical community in general or this forum in particular! )
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    Default Beware of antippsycotic meds. If you really need need you won't know what's going on.

    I suppose they are useful for schizophrenia and serious mental disorders. I went into a rehab about 30 years ago. I wanted to detox from alcohol and PCP. I was quite lucid and not at all violent, just in withdrawal. Once I told the truth about PCP use I was immediately put onto Haldol. Worst torture I ever received in my life. All my muscles went went into a spasm, the nurse had to run in with a shot of what's called cogentin. Even with the muscle relaxer I couldn't sit still my legs were restless. I felt absolutely awful. My doctor barely spoke english and refused to discontinue the Haldol for many days. I called my parents and begged them to intervene. Eventually they switched me to mellaril which was slightly better but still horrible. I did the 28 days somehow. Ever since then I am very careful what I reveal to doctors. It is easy for them to mistake detox for mental illness. Whatever you do DO NOT mention PCP.

    My only hope is that people that really need these meds do not suffer like I did.
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    Thank you this explains it much better than I did. I will never forget that awful experience, and ever since had have a hard time trusting doctors. Sometrime theyseem to wear blinders which is unusal for such intelligent people .
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  5. Hm, I'm not sure how much of this I should take seriously or not, but I guess it should be reminded that the term "anti-psychotic" is fairly misleading and they are frequently prescribed for a variety of disorders. For example, many bipolar (manic depressive) people actually react negatively to antidepressants- strangely, they make their depression worse (as well as their mania, if they are manic), so they are instead treated with anti-psychotics. Anti-psychotics are also frequently prescribed off label for general insomnia in otherwise stable, happy people.

    Obviously your post was a joke but I think it's still important to remember that the amount of true "crazies" is such a tiny portion of society as well as a tiny portion of the people who are prescribed anti-psychotics- such a small percentage, in fact, that the psychiatric community is moving away from the diagnosis of schizophrenia completely in favor of more complex diagnoses that combine separate mood and personality disorders.

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    yea antipsycotics are bad news. Its really messed up how they just give out seroqil risperdal like candy. but big pharma has the money to settle the lawsuits and the bullshit continues.
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    Anti-Psychotics & Some Dangers of Long Time Use!

    > Anti-psychotics including... Haldol, Mellaril, Prolixin, Thorazine & Others, are used for the treatment of schizophrenia & for the pacification of the Unruly, the Unseemly & the Hallucinating. How anti-psychotics work is not completely understood, but they are known to reduce levels of dopamine, a neuro-transmitter. The preferred method of administration is orally by tablet, or by liquid if the "patient" is a crafty devil known to spit out their meds!
    First-generation antipsychotics were very powerful yet not well understood by doctors at the time. The more compassionate among shrinks would usually give Librium first and then small doses of antipsychotic if required. As a matter of fact Librium was developed precisely for the purpose of calming unruly neurologic or psychiatric patients without hurting them. Before that shrinks had injectable barbiturates at their disposal but rarely used them for emergencies in a psychiatric or neurologic setting due to the very narrow margin between therapeutic and lethal dosage. Nowadays much safer antipsychotics and downers are being used, even though the old-school meds are still available, but as a last-resort alternative. Another source of confusion is that both old and new antipsychotics are referred to as "major tranquilizers" by the medical community. Better look up any such drug you are prescribed before taking it.

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    > Yep! I would agree that Librium is a safe one. A Friend's brother took it for years and had no problem until his new Doc decided to prescribe Haldol & the poor guy started acting like he was sleepwalking thru life, unable to pay attention or perform many simple tasks. Fortunately after his mother expressed her concern about his odd behaviour & he was sent to see a different "shrink" who put him back on 25 mg. Librium twice a day & he returned to his "normal" self.
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    Haldol is the devil. I don't take it for behavior reasons, but rather it is part of the Zofran, Phenergen, Benadryl, Compozene, Ativan, and Haldal cocktail of drugs I am given when I am hospitalized for cyclical vomiting syndrome. I have the worst reaction to Haldol-just as you describe. Stay away from this one if you can.
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    Haldol is the devil. I don't take it for behavior reasons, but rather it is part of the Zofran, Phenergen, Benadryl, Compozene, Ativan, and Haldal cocktail of drugs I am given when I am hospitalized for cyclical vomiting syndrome. I have the worst reaction to Haldol-just as you describe. Stay away from this one if you can.
    I have never heard of cyclical vomiting syndrome before your post. That sounds awful! Do you have episodes often? Will it ever go away by itself?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mistymountainhop View Post
    I have never heard of cyclical vomiting syndrome before your post. That sounds awful! Do you have episodes often? Will it ever go away by itself?
    Google it, it is real ......no, never goes away by itself, but there is slmost always an gastrointestinal underlying cause.

    I'm seeing a specialist in July, hopefully they can help.

    Yeah, pretty much sux to vomit for 7 days plus. The first time it happened May 2013, I vomited and dry heaved for 12 days straight, lost 35 pounds - weighed 77 pounds when I was released- stomach muscles were so sore and my esophogous was quite inflamed, had blood pressures at stroke levels (201/141)...etc etc.....sorry, I'll put away the violin away because a lot of people have way worse than me. Sorry for the rant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cash View Post
    Google it, it is real ......no, never goes away by itself, but there is slmost always an gastrointestinal underlying cause. I'm seeing a specialist in July, hopefully they can help. It pretty much sux to vomit for 7 days plus.
    I did google it and read about it on the NIH website. I can't even imagine what you're going through. I hope the specialist can help you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cash View Post
    @DrWho

    Haldol is the devil. I don't take it for behavior reasons, but rather it is part of the Zofran, Phenergen, Benadryl, Compozene, Ativan, and Haldal cocktail of drugs I am given when I am hospitalized for cyclical vomiting syndrome. I have the worst reaction to Haldol-just as you describe. Stay away from this one if you can.
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    Anyone writing Haldol for vomiting should have their license revoked! I have seen this drug, RARELY , used to treat intractable hiccups. Zofran is FAR SUPERIOR, on multiple levels than any of the "ZINE" drugs, promethazine, compazine, thorazine to treat nausea, vomiting, etc. And frankly, Ativan would be a better backup to Zofran than anything in the "zine" classes. Honestly, I recognize that Haldol and the "zine" drugs have uses, but we treat a lot of nausea and intractable vomiting and I don't know a single prescriber who would use Compazine or Promethazine in lieu of Zofran.
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    Oh @Cash

    Anyone writing Haldol for vomiting should have their license revoked! I have seen this drug, RARELY , used to treat intractable hiccups. Zofran is FAR SUPERIOR, on multiple levels than any of the "ZINE" drugs, promethazine, compazine, thorazine to treat nausea, vomiting, etc. And frankly, Ativan would be a better backup to Zofran than anything the "zine" classes. Honestly, I recognize that Haldol and the "zine" drugs have uses, but we treat a lot of nausea and intractable vomiting and I don't know a single prescriber who would use Compazine or Promethazine in lieu of Zofran.
    They end up throwing everything but the kitchen sink at me because once it starts, it ain't stopping without me getting IV anti nausea every three hours (combo of 2 at a time). I have heard from my doctors that they have your exact sentiment, but for some reason haldal happens to be one in the cocktail that really works. I hate it though - hate the way I feel and it has created a hyperprolactemia condition which is not helpful on top of my hypothyroidism. I'm a freakin' mess.....LOL
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    As someone who gets very nauseous from general anesthesia, I can say that Zofran is a huge improvement over previous drugs. In my experience, that shot of Zofran works like a charm. Not to compare post-op nausea to CVS, of course.

    Thanks for explaining your condition, @Cash. You're not ranting when someone asks you questions. I always like to learn things, and you never know when this type of knowledge will come in handy and you can help someone else.
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    @Cash

    I guess, like many things, at the end of the day, whatever works is the right formulation. I expect that using Hadol here is likely efficacious because it essentially knocks you out. Certainly in combination with something like Ativan or Promethazine.

    Have they tried Marinol? We don't use it much for nausea but often for patients for whom we are trying to stimulate appetite. At one time Megace or Dexamethasone were used for this, but no much in hospice anymore.

    In any event, I imagine that you'd try anything to avoid that endless cycle, and I sure as hell would!
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    BTW- Have they tried Inderal ? Normally is used to prevent rather than treat, but might be worth discussing with your physician if you have not already given it a test run.
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    BTW- Have they tried Inderal ? Normally is used to prevent rather than treat, but might be worth discussing with your physician if you have not already given it a test run.
    No, I will bring this up to the specialist if he doesn't mention it. Thank you h20 - I appreciate your insight and suggestions. The Marinol hadn't been brought up either. You've given me two more talking points. Sincere thank you.
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    Haldol is the devil. I don't take it for behavior reasons, but rather it is part of the Zofran, Phenergen, Benadryl, Compozene, Ativan, and Haldal cocktail of drugs I am given when I am hospitalized for cyclical vomiting syndrome.
    Odd choices in that cocktail which comprises two drugs whose`effects will potentiate the nastier side effects of haloperidol. Your saving grace is the Ativan which blocks haldol's evil instincts by booting it out of the adrenergic receptors before it f.... them up. I am never given haldol without sandwiching it between two 2mg ativans or two 15mg temazepam, I would flatly refuse it on its own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandagoldman View Post
    yea antipsycotics are bad news. Its really messed up how they just give out seroqil risperdal like candy. but big pharma has the money to settle the lawsuits and the bullshit continues.
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    @Cash , so sorry to hear that you have this. I have gastroparesis and migraines which, when triggered, result in the same CVS symptoms.

    I take domperidone 4x daily and Phenergan for breakthrough nausea, fwiw.
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