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    @Katey - Yup, that's exactly what if feels like. My daughter said she feels like it's a bad dream she can't wake up from and my 11 yr. old granddaughter is starting to get really scared
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    Default Vaccines/drugs in the pipeline for COVID-19

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    Of course, it doesn't help very much when politicians (in the USA and in other countries I won't name) want to put on their best "happy faces" for the masses, while the scientists and researchers over in the corner are waving their arms in a panic, basically saying "wait, wait, don't say that yet, we need to do actual science here". I do think that there will likely be some treatments coming out in months to a year or so, but we've never really figured out much of what to do with easily-mutating virii (e.g. flu viruses, yeah, virii, I had to take Latin I-III), but coronavirus has always been elusive. Some natural immunity, some herd immunity, some treatments, and maybe some vaccines seem to be our best hope. And I do hold out hope, even though any heavy-duty exposure, plus one or two unfortunate circumstances, and I'm probably going to be a morbidity statistic.
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    Thank you so much for that link! I don’t think I have seen anything as reassuring as that article! Bill Gates’ foundation gave $5,000,000 to Inovio. (For those that didn’t read the article) Yes, he can afford it, but that doesn’t change how awesome that was. He stepped down from his board positions in both Microsoft and Berkshire Hathaway, so he can spend more time on philanthropic endeavors. I think it’s pretty amazing that he not only changed the world, but he wants to spend his vast fortune on making it better. Thanks again!
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    I also feel like this is a bad dream and we are living in it. I have a friend who's convinced it's the end of the world and has thoroughly prepared for it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by M77 View Post
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    Thank you so much for that link! I don’t think I have seen anything as reassuring as that article! Bill Gates’ foundation gave $5,000,000 to Inovio. (For those that didn’t read the article) Yes, he can afford it, but that doesn’t change how awesome that was. He stepped down from his board positions in both Microsoft and Berkshire Hathaway, so he can spend more time on philanthropic endeavors. I think it’s pretty amazing that he not only changed the world, but he wants to spend his vast fortune on making it better. Thanks again!

    I have not done any dd on the below info.

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    DHR(Danaher) owns Cepheid that makes the Molecular diagnostic machine called "Gene-Xpert". This can be done in a private MD offices with nasal swab. Game changer because the test will be a confirmed test and will not need to be sent out for confirmation (it replicates the virus's RNA so that even if a patient is asymptomatic but has the virus, it will yield a positive. Patient can know in 5 min if they have Covid-19.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djrick View Post
    I have not done any dd on the below info.

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    Thanks! Interestingly, I saw a link last night that said 45 minute test were being made available. I didn’t read it, because I figured it was just click bait. But your post actually refers to Cepheid. So hopefully they really can really implement it. I wonder how much their Gene-Xpert machine costs. At this point, I don’t think it matters. Be safe!
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    I also feel like this is a bad dream and we are living in it. I have a friend who's convinced it's the end of the world and has thoroughly prepared for it!
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    I agree. This does feel like a bad dream, or living in a science fiction movie. I have some close people that are taking it really hard, like insisting things so negative, I don’t want to even post them. I actually think my GP would give me my old dose of anxiety meds. As I posted on another thread, I get half the dosage, and 1/3 of the old quantity, and only if I space it out a handful of months.

    The only reason I’m not going to ask is, if it is a no, I would rather hang on to the hope that I might get my old dose, rather than knowing I can’t. Plus, I would rather try to get through this, without increasing my dosage, just to know I will get the rug pulled out from under me, at some point. I think it is absolutely ridiculous that I have to even worry about my dosage. If I decided to go to any doctor, and announce that I need medication to deal with this, I don’t think that would be a lot to ask, but I could at least understand if any doctor said “don’t get started with those meds.” The fact that they exist, and could help people, should be all that is required. But, add to the equation the fact that I safely used them, just like my PK’s, ONLY WHEN NEEDED, for years. This is really cruel and unusual treatment. I couldn’t take the scrutiny, because of my work, but I wish I had the guts to file a class action lawsuit. If they want to torture people by withholding PK’s, from responsible adults, that never abused them, that is disgusting enough. BUT, to deprive people from low dose benzodiazepines, for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON, that truly should actually be a class action against the FDA, and the DOJ (along with their sub agencies that are in on the threats to doctors).

    I honestly wish I was in the position to do the above. I actually believe if that happened, and the case was won, it would stop the BS. If the case failed, I don’t think it would be worse than it is now. The same case for PK’s would probably be a better case. If a human being is suffering, and they have responsibly used PK’s for years, that should be the best practice, with no more threats to medical professionals.

    I have posted this before, but if a young kid, that never took anything stronger than ibuprofen, can get by with ibuprofen, that’s fine. I even understand them using the ridiculous 7 day rule, under those circumstances. But as someone posted on another thread, maybe @Mecha, we should be grandfathered into this, without ridiculous interference.

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    You are a lifesaver with the data you have posted. Not only have you made it easier to deal with this, but your posts have seriously helped some people that I really care about, by me forwarding the information you generously shared with us! You rock!
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    I wasn’t sure where to post these comments someone sent me, strictly one person’s opinion. Be careful where you spend time on the internet as highlighted by the reddit comment. I am posting also to remind myself of that. Easy to get lost between facts and the doom porn.

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    I'd also add that the pessimism on the Reddit subs is disgusting. Instead of cheering for stock market crashes, they cheer for positive case counts and deaths. Positive news is discounted and downvoted.

    I've been following this virus since the first death in China. Spent far too long on the Reddit subs following it day by day, and then hour by hour as it touched down in the US. I travel a lot for work, and I'm a life-long, mild hypochondriac, so naturally this thing was going to consume my thoughts from the get-go.

    My prediction is that cases in Washington have all but peaked, and will peak in NYC over the coming week. NYC hospitals will be bad and news will be scary, but cases will be peaking at that same time. Florida will have a decent rise in cases and will peak in 3-4 weeks. The rest of the country is fine. We'll be able to start resuming normal function in a couple weeks, with travel restrictions to hotspots. Yes, that means infections will rise in tandem, but the curve will be flattened.





    Quote Originally Posted by M77 View Post
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    I agree. This does feel like a bad dream, or living in a science fiction movie. I have some close people that are taking it really hard, like insisting things so negative, I don’t want to even post them. I actually think my GP would give me my old dose of anxiety meds. As I posted on another thread, I get half the dosage, and 1/3 of the old quantity, and only if I space it out a handful of months.

    The only reason I’m not going to ask is, if it is a no, I would rather hang on to the hope that I might get my old dose, rather than knowing I can’t. Plus, I would rather try to get through this, without increasing my dosage, just to know I will get the rug pulled out from under me, at some point. I think it is absolutely ridiculous that I have to even worry about my dosage. If I decided to go to any doctor, and announce that I need medication to deal with this, I don’t think that would be a lot to ask, but I could at least understand if any doctor said “don’t get started with those meds.” The fact that they exist, and could help people, should be all that is required. But, add to the equation the fact that I safely used them, just like my PK’s, ONLY WHEN NEEDED, for years. This is really cruel and unusual treatment. I couldn’t take the scrutiny, because of my work, but I wish I had the guts to file a class action lawsuit. If they want to torture people by withholding PK’s, from responsible adults, that never abused them, that is disgusting enough. BUT, to deprive people from low dose benzodiazepines, for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON, that truly should actually be a class action against the FDA, and the DOJ (along with their sub agencies that are in on the threats to doctors).

    I honestly wish I was in the position to do the above. I actually believe if that happened, and the case was won, it would stop the BS. If the case failed, I don’t think it would be worse than it is now. The same case for PK’s would probably be a better case. If a human being is suffering, and they have responsibly used PK’s for years, that should be the best practice, with no more threats to medical professionals.

    I have posted this before, but if a young kid, that never took anything stronger than ibuprofen, can get by with ibuprofen, that’s fine. I even understand them using the ridiculous 7 day rule, under those circumstances. But as someone posted on another thread, maybe @Mecha, we should be grandfathered into this, without ridiculous interference.

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    You are a lifesaver with the data you have posted. Not only have you made it easier to deal with this, but your posts have seriously helped some people that I really care about, by me forwarding the information you generously shared with us! You rock!
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  10. LOTS of anecdotal reports that hydrochloroquine, a cheap, old antimalaria drug, sometimes along with with azithromycin had brought back people on the brink from COVID-19. Have found it on a few very sketchy sites. Fairly safe and cheap, I sure wish I could get hold of some from overseas. Even with a prescription in the States, stocks are depleted.
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    LOTS of anecdotal reports that hydrochloroquine, a cheap, old antimalaria drug, sometimes along with with azithromycin had brought back people on the brink from COVID-19. Have found it on a few very sketchy sites. Fairly safe and cheap, I sure wish I could get hold of some from overseas. Even with a prescription in the States, stocks are depleted.
    The people who have a prescription for them to treat RA are having a very difficult time getting them filled because so many doctors,
    dentists, etc. are over prescribing them to friends and family. They can be very, very hard on a person's heart and I hope people
    will approach taking them off-label, and without a doctor's advice and care, with extreme caution.
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    apparently this stuff works, so where can I get some? I already have azithromycin.


    https://nypost.com/2020/03/22/florid...-his-life/amp/
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    In many states, the governor’s are approving the hydrochloroquine and azithromycin mixture, as there was a peer reviewed test in southern France (Marseille) that was extremely positive. I remember when there was a scare over a bio agent I don’t want to mention, that starts with an A. The antibiotic that was the most effective was penicillin, and then Cipro. Of course there were shortages for the exact same reason. Everyone that knew a doctor was running out to get it.

    Self prescribing meds is not a good idea. There are antibiotics for gram negative infections, and others for gram positive. Also, assuming there is no issue with allergies, even broad spectrum antibiotics are used differently for upper respiratory bacterial infections, versus lower respiratory infections. Considering that people are hoarding toilet paper, there most likely will be shortages on chloroquine.

    I know we have very bright people on here, but just as a rule of thumb. Antibiotics do nothing for viral infections. The reason they give antibiotics to some people with influenza is, a nasty case of flu can cause secondary infections, like pneumonia, because of reduced functionality of people’s immune systems.

    If anyone is going to self prescribe antibiotics, PLEASE take the full course. The reason we have antibiotic resistant infections is predominantly caused by people misusing antibiotics. If you start them, and stop the moment you feel better, as opposed to taking the full 7, or 10 day regimen, if you relapse, you now have an antibiotic resistant infection.

    @djrick
    I won’t even tell others about positive news, without trying to verify it. Between the 24 hour news cycles, rumors are going crazy. So if I can’t verify things, I may tell a few people that need to hear something good, about it, with the caution that it is unverified. With the insane amount of data, on Twitter, and Reddit, etc. data is getting skewed in dangerous ways.

    @Mrs Parker
    Excellent point! I’m really worried about people taking meds that they have no idea of the side effects, or without knowing if they have allergies. During that panic caused by that sick SOB mailing that really horrific stuff with an A, I think that Penicillin was the first med to use. I had two people that I remembered are allergic to it, and forgot. Thankfully, they told me they were trying to get penicillin, which gave me the chance to warn them. If I remember correctly, Cipro was the best if you were allergic to penicillin.

    Please everyone be safe!
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    Quote Originally Posted by crabman View Post
    LOTS of anecdotal reports that hydrochloroquine, a cheap, old antimalaria drug, sometimes along with with azithromycin had brought back people on the brink from COVID-19. Have found it on a few very sketchy sites. Fairly safe and cheap, I sure wish I could get hold of some from overseas. Even with a prescription in the States, stocks are depleted.
    To qualify for biologics, must climb Jacobs ladder. hydrochloroquine was one of the meds for auto immune. The side effects can be horrific. Just managed to fill my daily Colchicine order before people saturated requests
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    Default This seems legit

    I googled him, multiple media is reporting on him, but not mainstream media yet:

    https://techstartups.com/2020/03/28/...-z-pak-update/

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    Default FDA Emergency Authorized hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to treat coronavirus

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    It seems most anti malaria drugs help if you can get some. Even old fashioned quinine seems to help but tonic water in the stores has almost none in it, mostly sugar and flavor. Try bht if you can get some. It is known to be an antiviral and is good against lipid coated viruses which the china virus is. I take a tiny bit per day, about 200mg as a preventive. Larger amounts should help if you actually come down with it and can't get any of the good drugs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gullible View Post
    It seems most anti malaria drugs help if you can get some. Even old fashioned quinine seems to help but tonic water in the stores has almost none in it, mostly sugar and flavor. Try bht if you can get some. It is known to be an antiviral and is good against lipid coated viruses which the china virus is. I take a tiny bit per day, about 200mg as a preventive. Larger amounts should help if you actually come down with it and can't get any of the good drugs
    Thanks, good suggestions I just ordered some bht on Amazon : Supersmart - BHT 300 Mg - Butylated Hydroxytoluene - Powerful Antioxidant Aimed at Extending Lifespan & Preventing Viral Attacks | Non-GMO - 90 Vegetarian Capsules. I don't know if it will ever get shipped but I guess I'll find out. It was $20 a bottle so not too bad I guess

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    I am not sure I follow the Z- pack mess...
    Sure- ok, it can help with post infections perhaps. It's not antiviral, and it's seriously strong. My experience is stinks as docs throw it at things they don't "get" and hope for good results. I have had better results with AB's that were designated for the issue.

    AV's- sure makes some sense.
    Been on the anti malarial's while in Africa. Just had whack-a-doodle over the top dreams. No malaria- which is good. Can only guess it has a generic effect on virii.

    I know folks with it and I am in a place that has more than they should- I won't get political but guess what type of landscape. Only worked out once the gov stepped in and now not too good.
    I would love to say how inflated it is but when you know people with it and they are not well- you take stock of things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GringoStarr View Post
    I am not sure I follow the Z- pack mess...
    Sure- ok, it can help with post infections perhaps. It's not antiviral, and it's seriously strong. My experience is stinks as docs throw it at things they don't "get" and hope for good results. I have had better results with AB's that were designated for the issue.

    AV's- sure makes some sense.
    Been on the anti malarial's while in Africa. Just had whack-a-doodle over the top dreams. No malaria- which is good. Can only guess it has a generic effect on virii.

    I know folks with it and I am in a place that has more than they should- I won't get political but guess what type of landscape. Only worked out once the gov stepped in and now not too good.
    I would love to say how inflated it is but when you know people with it and they are not well- you take stock of things.

    Meh, such is life and death. I'll die from something and I got my grub...
    @GringoStarr
    The Azithromycin part of the mixture with hydrochloriquine is not for secondary bacterial infections. I thought the same thing, as I mentioned previously that they use antibiotics for secondary infections from influenza. The Azithromycin, if I remember correctly, reduces the “storm” of immunity that the body creates to try and fight off the virus. I’m trying to remember this, but it is not for its straight antibacterial properties. I would try and find the exact purpose, but only have a few more seconds on here for now. Be safe everyone!
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