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  1. Yeah, I know, been there, done that, unfortunatelly. That's way I tend to beleieve that benzos are the most tricky drugs of all, despite the fact that "h" was always my DOC.
    But at the same I was lucky (or strong enough) to battle these habits and be a afunctional man with a home, a woman and a job, with a quite nice leaving. I take long breaks before shit happens, as I mentioned before. Now, it's the time again I think. What I would really advise everyone, either they have addictions, depression, anxiety or anything else is one thing: GO TO A FREAKING GOOD THERAPIST! Talking to a specialist may lead you to discover aspects of your self you wouldn't even know they exist. Make you love your self, giving answers on WHY you feel thae bad things you feel.
    No medication can achieve that, not even the antidepressants that supposingly balance the serotonine of your brain (not that they are not helpful but they are not the first case.)

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    I wish I knew how to source flunitrazoLAM, because there are so many rodents around my neighborhood dumpster and I need to do some experiments!

  3. It's effective and gives a bit of euphoria before bedtime. Frankly, I don't see why it got the rap it did - I would think other benzos like triazolam would be just as if not more effective in committing crimes.

    You won't find it easily or cheaply and certainly not on a website. Also, many states in the U.S. and many countries have severe penalties for even possessing it - I would presume ordering it from overseas would up in to trafficking.

    Frankly, triazolam is a little more effective for sleep (minus the initial euphoria), cheaper, somewhat easier to find from a few IOPs, and FAR less risky to order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DancingWriter View Post
    It's effective and gives a bit of euphoria before bedtime. Frankly, I don't see why it got the rap it did - I would think other benzos like triazolam would be just as if not more effective in committing crimes.

    You won't find it easily or cheaply and certainly not on a website. Also, many states in the U.S. and many countries have severe penalties for even possessing it - I would presume ordering it from overseas would up in to trafficking.

    Frankly, triazolam is a little more effective for sleep (minus the initial euphoria), cheaper, somewhat easier to find from a few IOPs, and FAR less risky to order.
    @DancingWriter

    You hit the nail on the head !! What a excellent post you made I must assume from your direct experience! Gracias! Danke !

    I have to "hold back my comments on this thread, as I DO NOT want to break any rules, and, I interpret this thread is not in the
    "Seniors Section" and, I am keenly aware, this excellent PR Forum has lost IMHO a devastating number of previously long active
    members both in the Seniors Section especially, as well as perhaps in the new members section, or those perhaps, who just may be
    lurking as a "guest" ?

    All I can safely say in addition to agreeing fully @DancingWriter is when you stated quote "Frankly, I don't see why it got the rap it did"

    I will only communicate in vague generalities, but, I "finally" after, honestly a full ten year search, including traveling, to Mexico, (three
    times) and the Dutch West Indies, to Holland, Germany and Austria, in the past 10 years, I finally in the winter of 2016 got my hands on
    on exactly 30 tabs of one mg of this benzodiazepine, founded by the late Roche Chemist, Leo Sternbach in the year 1975, and, I will
    only say it was not the Roche infamous brand tradename, but it was, from a internationally, huge well known manufacturer, all I can
    say it was a one shot deal, and was across the pond, as, I used to travel extensively, up until about 12 months ago, due to personal
    reasons. hint... My health and personal financial reasons, plus I just got damn tired of traveling alone, and there is a lot of expense
    besides a no charge airline ticket !!

    I also have extensive direct experience with the "other hypnotic" you compared, this infamous, I hate to use this term "date rape" drug
    that I blame the USA press for perhaps a most unfortunate incident that may have been true?, some years ago, causing a worldwide
    stigma to this medication, Flunxxxxxxxxx, a/k/a Rohxxxxx. The other hypnotic, I am most fortunate to have some access to (that is
    the hypnotic triazolam in the 0.25 mg oval blue tablets made my one of the largest pharmaceutical companies in the modern
    industrialized world, but, extremely HTF, in the USA !! a/k/a the tradename starts with the letter Hxxcxxn.

    What so infuriates me so very much is, perhaps I am giving out clues to my age range, but I will only say, I once was a undergraduate
    student, for one year at University of Georgia, Athens GA, and, the following year once a undergraduate student at the University of
    Miami, in Coral Gables, FLA, and, the M.D staff at both institutions of higher learning, I will only give the decade I am referring to was
    the 1970's, passing out, "much more, incredibly more powerful, and, "much more euphoria power packed sedatives and hypnotics",
    in either non barb sedatives, or 100% now extremely rare, short acting barbs, they have either been all discontinued, or, are so HTF,
    I have not seen any of these "downers' they were former ethical legal pharmaceuticals, in over 30+ years !!! (USA)

    I was so very disappointed in my search for I use the term the "holy grail" because I got turned down in foreign countries for the
    shrinking demand and prescribing of the benzo, that is the topic of this thread, by face to face M.D's in non USA countries, but, I
    did get, other benzodiazepines, a modest supply, of such very common benzo's as Alp, or Diaz, or, Clonazepam or even the semi benzo
    Z hypnotic, Stilnox.

    yes, as you stated so well, " I did get a euphoric feeling, as I ever so carefully took just 1/2 of 1 mg of my first use of the notorious
    reputation of a bona fide generic of Roofxx's , and, then I felt so little relief from my lifetime insomnia, I took the other 1/2 of the 1
    mg tab/caplet, then, I woke up in he middle to the night to take a full tab of yet one more 1 mg Fluntixxxxxxx, and by night 2 I was
    taking 2 x 1 mg of this med, at my bedtime around midnight, and by 4AM I awoke, wide awake, and, I took another 2 x 1 mg of
    the same med, so I could go back to sleep, and yes each time I did feel a euphoric feeling before I went off to sleep but I most
    certainly did NOT feel "punch drunk" or our of control, as I am now, as back in winter of 2016, a 100% non alcohol user.

    It was like comparing one who is in USA middle school or perhaps a freshman in a USA high school compared to being in one's first year
    in a Big Ten or a very large Graduate school/University, in the USA or a big campus, in a foreign University !! (that is comparing the
    perception and feelings I experienced, taking a generic 1 mg of a Roofxx to decades ago to "this is a very smart group of informed
    intelligent PR members and guests", but, "I will let the readers just guess at what I may have been referring to as some to the
    now famous or infamous legendary sedatives of the USA and non USA countries of the post Woodstock era up to the original Disco Days
    in the USA !!

    Again I am not trying to boost my ego, I am really quite sad, due to my often very serious insomnia issues in the present day, and
    perhaps I am so frustrated, I spent so much of my past ten years, searching for, this, my interpretation, of some kind of "knock your
    socks off" now a med with a very negative "stigma" being the Flunitxxxxxxx.

    The truth in my interpretation of the number one date rape drug is ALCOHOL, as this liquid beverage kills 100,000 American's per year.
    which, it 10 to 20 times more Fatalities, (than Herxxx and Cocxxxx combined) and it is legal in all 50 states at least most states from
    over age 18 years old, perhaps it is age 21 years old, not sure on that statistic, as, hard liquors, one may have to be age 21 in many
    USA states.

    Tobacco kills 420,000 American's per yr (that is 42 to 84 times more fatalities smoking cigarettes, compared to using H and C
    combined !!! In my state I believe, one has to show a ID to purchase tobacco like a pack of Marlboro's or, or other cigarettes, and,
    not sure but I believe one has to be age 30 to buy a pack of cigarettes??? might be as young as 21 years old not sure on that.

    I am no saint I quit smoking cigarettes at age 34, and I hope I never smoke another cigarette or cigar !! I HAVE attended more
    than one Funeral of multiple friends who died due to lung cancer and everyone of them was a very heavy nicotine addicted smoker
    up to either the very end, or they quit too late, (were past age 50) and already had issues with their breathing, lungs, etc !!!

    I done with my ranting. Moderators please modify this post or erase any comments if I have offended anyone or broken any rules!

    Hasta Manna !
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    I've tried it a few times in liquid form back when I was addicted to Opioids, I got it from a friend a fellow addict.
    I found it very strong obviously I was being careful about how much I would take at a time.
    I have beaten my opioid addiction but I need benzos for anxiety. Diazepam is the only benzo I get perscribed by my Doc for anxiety.
    I take xanax & kpins every now and again from sources to help control my anxiety.
    But in regards to you original post, These cases where people abuse such drugs which gives them the bad name and ruin the reputation which ends up ruining it for people like us who could benefit from such drugs. Doctors these days don't perscribe benzos because of the addiction and reputation of these meds.
    But even for people like us who really need them and would really benefit from certain meds...Some of which have saved my life. If my anxiety is so bad that I need to take an addictive pill every day to have some kind of quality of life or take nothing and be miserable Paranoid shut in, I'd choose the meds every day of the week and twice on Sunday "So to speak" lol
    I've gave this analogy to a few doctors who have refused to perscribe me any anti anxiety meds - "You won't perscribe me any anti anxiety meds, A person who suffers extreme anxiety which prevents me from leaving the house, WHY WERE THESE MEDS INVENTED!?" And you don't get a strait answer, It's one big crap shoot which is why I have to resort to IOPs
    Take care everyone and stay safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by medi1 View Post
    I've tried it a few times in liquid form back when I was addicted to Opioids, I got it from a friend a fellow addict.
    I found it very strong obviously I was being careful about how much I would take at a time.
    I have beaten my opioid addiction but I need benzos for anxiety. Diazepam is the only benzo I get perscribed by my Doc for anxiety.
    I take xanax & kpins every now and again from sources to help control my anxiety.
    But in regards to you original post, These cases where people abuse such drugs which gives them the bad name and ruin the reputation which ends up ruining it for people like us who could benefit from such drugs. Doctors these days don't perscribe benzos because of the addiction and reputation of these meds.
    But even for people like us who really need them and would really benefit from certain meds...Some of which have saved my life. If my anxiety is so bad that I need to take an addictive pill every day to have some kind of quality of life or take nothing and be miserable Paranoid shut in, I'd choose the meds every day of the week and twice on Sunday "So to speak" lol
    I've gave this analogy to a few doctors who have refused to perscribe me any anti anxiety meds - "You won't perscribe me any anti anxiety meds, A person who suffers extreme anxiety which prevents me from leaving the house, WHY WERE THESE MEDS INVENTED!?" And you don't get a strait answer, It's one big crap shoot which is why I have to resort to IOPs
    Take care everyone and stay safe.
    Whoa, I didn't know that roofies ever came in liquid form. Kewl!
    Ever since my roofie experiments last year, I kinda get horny looking at toilet bowl cleaner, crazy as that sounds.
    Anyway, I imagine some docs deep down would like to help, but the DEA is so busy breathing down their necks that they can't do their jobs as well as they once might've. It sucks ass. Only way to really score w/no bullshit is to have surgery. Since anesthesiologists can't script anything, but have their nurses administer stuff, they can more easily get you the goods - but just at the hospital or surgery centre. Mmmm, propofol and lotsa IV versed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by therealchillax View Post
    Whoa, I didn't know that roofies ever came in liquid form. Kewl!
    Ever since my roofie experiments last year, I kinda get horny looking at toilet bowl cleaner, crazy as that sounds.
    Anyway, I imagine some docs deep down would like to help, but the DEA is so busy breathing down their necks that they can't do their jobs as well as they once might've. It sucks ass. Only way to really score w/no bullshit is to have surgery. Since anesthesiologists can't script anything, but have their nurses administer stuff, they can more easily get you the goods - but just at the hospital or surgery centre. Mmmm, propofol and lotsa IV versed.
    @therealchillax and @medi1

    I got a chance to use my first Propofol from a combo Endoscopy/colonoscopy, on January 26, of 2017 !! And wow did I like it !!!

    here is a a quotation from the medical form for the procedure performed at a major surgery center, quote:

    "you will automatically be receiving PROPOFOL (deep sedation) for your procedure, It is REQUIRED by the anesthesiologist, that
    someone accompany you to your appointment, stay with you throughout your procedure, and take you home".

    "An alternative sedation such as DEMEROL/VERSED .....OR......FENTANYL/VERSED is available upon request. This sedation is
    typically administered by a nurse assisting the gastroenterologist. PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS SEDATION WILL BE GIVEN ON A CASE BASIS."

    unquote

    I have had just Versed IV given to me in the past, for a more simpler procedure, a single Colonoscopy, like in the year 2007 and in the
    year 2012, and, I was NOT given a choice, I was given, only VERSED IV, and, yes, it put me to sleep but not into a deep sleep, and, I
    have a rather high tolerance to any kind of benzo's, and the MD's awakened me during the procedure, to show me via a color camera
    of the active procedure, and, that was not, cool with me !!!

    I much preferred the "Propofol" a/k/a white milk !!! I do not remember one thing from a few seconds when the IV went into my wrist,
    until the surgery was completely over, and I was awakened, as the Nurse was the only one in the operating room! It was so easy, and
    and anxiety free for me !!!

    I miss the days of several decades ago, while waiting for a different kind of surgery, and, 20 years ago, a nurse gave me a IM shot of
    DEMEROL, to calm me down a full 30 minutes BEFORE I was rolled on the metal, rolling "bed" into surgery !!

    In that same decade, I have gone to ER for massive sunburn or a jellyfish bite on my leg, (I once lived in Miami Beach FL) and both times
    20 years + ago the attending nurse or ER MD would administer to me either a shot of DEMEROL or a IM Shot of liquid Valium, and, those
    days seem now to be gone forever !!!

    I complained on the hospital patient form from my 2007 and my 2012 "procedure" that after placing my surgery gown on and WAITING
    FOR A LONG 30 minutes, and, no one would give me any thing for pre surgery anxiety, that is how much, the US medical system has
    changed in the past 20 to 25 years.........I think it is a crying shame for those with anxiety disorders, to have to, be so wound up tight,
    before a surgery in the here and now !!!! (Procedure was each time a single colonoscopy)

    Even for "Dental Surgery" or "Hair Transplant" surgery in the 1990's, I was given, in advance, a prescription for Percocet 5/325 x 6
    tabs, plus, 6 tabs of Lorazepam 2 mg (Ativan) to take home with me to use the night before the local surgery, as, I did NOT have
    a anesthesiologist, for either of the above procedures, but with today's "war on pain meds and MD's attitude on being anti Benzo, it
    is like pulling hens teeth, to get a prescription in advance or even a IM shot, in the waiting room, the DEA has everyone so paranoid
    of losing their medical license !!! I was even given 6 x 10 mg of Valium on yet another Dental gum surgery, also back in the mid 90's
    on yet another occasion, for my pre-opt needs, before the local anesthesia was administered !!!
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    Hello all

    I know this is an old, old thread, but I don't really see the point in starting a new one. This being the most recent thread on the subject of flunitrazepam, I assume that PR members don't have that strong an interest for that specific sleeping pill any more. Still, my two cents might be useful to someone.

    I had bought, only once, Rohipnol / flunitrazepam from the long time defunct Midnight Moon. That was is 2011, when I was just starting ordering online. I guess I was curious about that specific drug. Thinking it was an especially potent sleeping pill, I kept it for a moment of deep need. It's a little bit like when you get a gourmet delicacy in a gift basket and keep it for "a special occasion", forget about it until you do a bit of reorganization in your cupboards and find out it's not good any more.

    I don't believe that benzos lose that much potency over time if they are kept in optimal conditions. They certainly don't go bad as food or antibiotics can.

    So... last night, after my usual try to get to sleep of my own volition, I took a 1 mg tablet, at 9:30. I knew that if I felt groggy the next day, I could afford the time to let the fogginess evaporate and go on with my day productively.
    10:30 : nothing!! I take a second 1 mg tablet. (The recommended dose is 1 to 2 mg.)
    11:30 I'm really fed up and I take the sublingual zolpidem my doctor prescribes for me.
    I finally get to sleep but I had a very bad night, waking up every hour or two.

    At 8:15 a.m., I got up very groggy, went back to bed and managed to catch up. I finally got up for good at 10:45, finally feeling rested.

    All this publicity about this drug making one black out is just much ado about nothing. As a member posted earlier here, the mix with alcohol and the quantity of alcohol intake are much more to blame in those cases of date or party rapes.

    As @DancingWriter was saying
    Frankly, triazolam is a little more effective for sleep (minus the initial euphoria), cheaper, somewhat easier to find from a few IOPs, and FAR less risky to order.
    Bodies are very capricious machines. Even though I've suffered from insomnia all of my life, even as a small child, supposedly stronger and longer acting sleeping pills do nothing to help put me to sleep or to keep me asleep. On the contrary, they cause too many and too long wide eyed moments all through the night. I do not feel this "initial euphoria" some others experience either. This has been true for me with Rohypnol, Brotizolam and even Estazolam. I think I should put them in the compost heap, as I don't plan to use them.

    Zolpidem and triazolam are very effective for me. I just want to be careful not to get hooked. Besides, triazolam is not as easy to come by as it was two years ago.

    In conclusion, if Rohypnol / flunitrazepam works for you and you have access to it, I don't see any harm in using it occasionally. Just be wary of its addiction potential.

    Take care,

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoTired View Post
    Hello all

    I know this is an old, old thread, but I don't really see the point in starting a new one. This being the most recent thread on the subject of flunitrazepam, I assume that PR members don't have that strong an interest for that specific sleeping pill any more. Still, my two cents might be useful to someone.

    I had bought, only once, Rohipnol / flunitrazepam from the long time defunct Midnight Moon. That was is 2011, when I was just starting ordering online. I guess I was curious about that specific drug. Thinking it was an especially potent sleeping pill, I kept it for a moment of deep need. It's a little bit like when you get a gourmet delicacy in a gift basket and keep it for "a special occasion", forget about it until you do a bit of reorganization in your cupboards and find out it's not good any more.

    I don't believe that benzos lose that much potency over time if they are kept in optimal conditions. They certainly don't go bad as food or antibiotics can.

    So... last night, after my usual try to get to sleep of my own volition, I took a 1 mg tablet, at 9:30. I knew that if I felt groggy the next day, I could afford the time to let the fogginess evaporate and go on with my day productively.
    10:30 : nothing!! I take a second 1 mg tablet. (The recommended dose is 1 to 2 mg.)
    11:30 I'm really fed up and I take the sublingual zolpidem my doctor prescribes for me.
    I finally get to sleep but I had a very bad night, waking up every hour or two.

    At 8:15 a.m., I got up very groggy, went back to bed and managed to catch up. I finally got up for good at 10:45, finally feeling rested.

    All this publicity about this drug making one black out is just much ado about nothing. As a member posted earlier here, the mix with alcohol and the quantity of alcohol intake are much more to blame in those cases of date or party rapes.

    As @DancingWriter was saying

    Bodies are very capricious machines. Even though I've suffered from insomnia all of my life, even as a small child, supposedly stronger and longer acting sleeping pills do nothing to help put me to sleep or to keep me asleep. On the contrary, they cause too many and too long wide eyed moments all through the night. I do not feel this "initial euphoria" some others experience either. This has been true for me with Rohypnol, Brotizolam and even Estazolam. I think I should put them in the compost heap, as I don't plan to use them.

    Zolpidem and triazolam are very effective for me. I just want to be careful not to get hooked. Besides, triazolam is not as easy to come by as it was two years ago.

    In conclusion, if Rohypnol / flunitrazepam works for you and you have access to it, I don't see any harm in using it occasionally. Just be wary of its addiction potential.

    Take care,

    ST
    @SoTired "what a well written post"........I have chronic insomnia as well.........my experience with flunitr*ze*am.......I have been on the search for, a good 15 or
    more + years. I finally found a place where I could obtain them. Since the neighbors now appear to be out of business for good, (the two vendor's in
    S.A., I have a short story to tell. Around the last week of January of 2016, Pr*stige Ph*rma Expr*ss (PPE dot com) well...the "Doc" placed on his
    inventory, for his regular customers to look up and, and when I saw this med, back then Doc still shipped in blisters, & I ordered this med 30 x one mg
    of a local made (S.A.) pharma firm (Sand*z) in SA a "S6" class, I was thrilled to get them I guess around mid to late Feb of 2016.

    I was very careful as I like you, have read all of the date rape stories, and the "knock you out", propaganda, thus, (I was already on a long spell of no
    booze, and, I only took 1/2 of a one mg, in my bedroom, on a empty stomach, with water,...and I waited.......and.........felt a tad of something, but,
    after nearly one hour, I was disappointed [email protected], so, not being able to go to sleep, (I increased the dose, I well remember from 1/2 a tablet,
    this time to one full tablet + the remaining 1/2 tab I took one hour earlier, and, within I estimate, about 15 to 20 minutes max..............................

    I felt this wonderful feeling ........and dozed off to sleep so naturally....................even has pleasant dreams, this go around.......but I woke up about 4
    hours later...........and what did I do? after tossing & turning for ten to fifteen minutes, I took the other 1/2 tablet and full one mg tablet,.................
    and the same feeling of feeling so relaxed............I dozed off to sleep again, had more pleasant dreams until wake up time the next early AM hours....

    I realize each of us react to different medications, and, I am sorry @SoTired that Midnight Moon meds, you kept for so long, did not give you the same
    experience as me. Anyway. I only ordered 30 one mg tabs, of this HTF med, so, what did I do? I took them every night, two x one mg at bedtime,
    middle of night wakeup, after 4 hours, ..then take another two one mg Sand*z Flunitr*zep*m and, drifted to sleep with a smile on my face............

    With my addictive personality, I realized I was totally out in about 8 or 9 days...........................so I rushed a order again to the Doc in SA. and he
    this time shipped me 60 x one mg Sand*z (a N*vartis Company) but it was Not meant to be..........remember the off and on Postal Strlkes in SA and
    sometimes the dysfunctional postal system was not working very well, in the Feb, March, of 2016 many pks were stolen, from angry underpaid I guess
    overworked employees..........well my 60 tabs went officially MIA, no LL, it never left S.A.

    At least i did get to try those legendary meds, that our dysfunctional press and our own USA government did a good job, creating a "Stigma" to the
    Ro*ypn*l, even though it was never offically manufactured for USA citizens, the press and our politicians had a agenda that targeted all of the
    Flun*traz*pam + during the 1990's decade, also did a good job stigmatizing the once available at health & vitamin stores the med Sodi*m O*yb*te ,

    which the latter, was, officially after post 9/11 eventually became a patented med called Xyr*m by J*zz Pharmaceuticals. I once had a bottle, in the
    year 1998, and, I like @SoTired took it by the teaspoon, as I had read & heard it was a "knock out" med, certainly to not drink it like a Pepsi Cola...

    Yes, it worked, for me, to each his own, appropriate spoonfuls would I equate felt no different than a brand Stiln*x or Amb*en, it wears off in about 2
    hours and never actually put me to sleep. By the time the greedy pharma industry got it re-approved, the price for it rose about ten times. (around 2003).

    In conclusion, I fully agree with @SoTired, the alcohol, added to, these so called date rape drugs, and I don't mean a sip of wine but a lot to drink and
    one of these stigmatized meds, is BS, hoot fire, I remember in the disco days, I cannot mention the name or mfg of a once (now highly stigmatized med
    that started in the USA & the UK, and by the October of 1983, this med was banned in the USA, later the stigma carried worldwide, and it is now off the
    worldwide market as a ethical pharmaceutical since Switzerland removed it from production in early 2007.

    I will only say..........I don't mean to offend anyone, but, the un-named former date rape drug, the press, brought back to life in the past 10 years...........
    just my two cents worth if one wanted to give this Scarecrow now banned med a stigma, it should have been called IMO the date rape drug to use on
    males, just the opposite of, the way the media tries to change history, back in the day, if the word got out, you were treated like a rock star, and I am
    male, and I know what I am talking about. I was approached many many times from married females who heard thru the grapevine, could I give them
    a few of these pills, "I even gave my most favorite hairdresser (female) a wedding present for her honeymoon" and she reported back to me with
    a.smile, that, "thank you for the wedding present".........sorry for straying off topic..........yes, most meds can be highly abused with alcohol, or without it,

    and i AM NOT GLORIFYING it at all. There are two side's to the picture. just saying. Thanks @SoTired for posting & bringing this thread back alive !!
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    Hello @El Grandote,

    I had never heard of that Xyr*m medication. I researched it a little bit, only to learn that it is used mainly to treat cases of narcolepsy and catalepsy. The occurrence of side effects is quite high - 20% - especially in women : mainly dizziness, headaches, nausea. If wouldn't take the risk of making my life more miserable.

    I was approached many many times from married females who heard thru the grapevine, could I give them
    a few of these pills, "I even gave my most favorite hairdresser (female) a wedding present for her honeymoon" and she reported back to me with
    a.smile, that, "thank you for the wedding present".........sorry for straying off topic.........
    Actually, you are not off topic. I could never understand how any drug meant to make someone sleepy could be used as an aphrodisiac. I just thought that if someone blacked out, they couldn't remember what happened to them and could easily be victim of abuse. I also have difficulty in understanding how the other party can enjoy having sex with someone who is limp or even outright sleeping.

    To a certain extent, I can understand that some milder, anti-anxiety drugs can make partners more relaxed and suppress inhibitions. But still... This can be accomplished without drugs. If not, well... the partners are just not right for each other. If there is one human activity that deserves that we take our time to fully enjoy it, it's sex.

    Wouhouhou I'm getting rrrreally personal here. But hey! It's Valentine's Day. I woke up to hearts and cupids hanging in every room.

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