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    Here's an article that makes me so angry for those people that are forced to give up their meds cold turkey and they die! I wonder about taking legal action against the CDC or DEA when these things happen.

    https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1705026...vaWsgTe5Zvmykc
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  2. nice to see an article speaking truth. let's have more of it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakemoe View Post
    I wonder about taking legal action against the CDC or DEA when these things happen.
    I’ve wondered about that too. I hope someone does.
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    Damn right - I’ve been hoping for that for a long time. How about a class action suit from chronic pain patients who were FORCED to taper, despite the CDC guidelines saying that wasn’t their intention? Several suicides have resulted!

    Quote Originally Posted by pippi222 View Post
    I’ve wondered about that too. I hope someone does.
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    @jaders Exactly my thought too. Do we have any lawyers around the forum? Must be a few. I’d be interested to hear their perspective.
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    I've been on Klonopin for almost 20 years, new doctors refer me to a psychiatrist and ALL of them have had a 3 month waiting list.

    I've had a stroke, horrific seizures...all the usual benzo withdrawal..I am now a criminal because I don't want to die. I want to live some quality of life. I have had the same dose and now that I AM MY OWN DOCTOR I up my dose when I am doing something in public or a birthday party for my daughter, or the other learning to drive and I was having a doctor literally seeing my BP at the level where I ended up having a stroke, he gave me a pill for Blood Pressure and said Ok this is the last script and then you go cold turkey... because he didn't want to deal with it.

    20 years on Klonopin 3 to 4 times a day 1mg and the doctor weaned me off in 6 weeks, I had a Stroke among other things like not remembering my date of birth from sleep deprivation. I feel like I need to soak up Every day because if I don't get my meds MY OWN way..then I'll be out of luck before I'm even 40.
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  7. YES_YES_YES____if a love one or someone you know has died and it can relate or caused---directly or indirectly due to the medications that was given to them----you can ,and its been done, bring a lawsuit against the prescribing DR. I know for a fact its been done in a case where a individual commited suicide because of fighting withdrawls after years of prescribed pain meds and Dr told this individual they would have to take them off pain meds due to the pressure Dr was getting from GOV. The last words from this person was " i cant live without these meds" -----in this case the individuals spouse had sued "workers comp" along with the Dr.
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    Unfortunately, I don’t think pain management with specific opioids is as straightforward as we would like it to be. As a patient we have the right to have our pain treated ... with collaborative and multidisciplinary approaches which could include pain medication. There is no law that says you must be given an opioid if the doctor feels other meds are as effective and shows no negligence (as in totally ignoring your pain). The strongest case could be made in an end of life situation...ongoing chronic pain, perhaps not.

    This doctor who is an advocate for pain patients has been documenting people who have ended their lives due to inadequate pain treatment. These are their stories:

    https://medium.com/@ThomasKlineMD/op...s-c68c79ecf84d
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    We need a class action suite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRNUTTY View Post
    We need a class action suite.
    I imagine it is NOT
    legally possible as lawyers would already be all over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rais4 View Post
    I've been on Klonopin for almost 20 years, new doctors refer me to a psychiatrist and ALL of them have had a 3 month waiting list.

    I've had a stroke, horrific seizures...all the usual benzo withdrawal..I am now a criminal because I don't want to die. I want to live some quality of life. I have had the same dose and now that I AM MY OWN DOCTOR I up my dose when I am doing something in public or a birthday party for my daughter, or the other learning to drive and I was having a doctor literally seeing my BP at the level where I ended up having a stroke, he gave me a pill for Blood Pressure and said Ok this is the last script and then you go cold turkey... because he didn't want to deal with it.

    20 years on Klonopin 3 to 4 times a day 1mg and the doctor weaned me off in 6 weeks, I had a Stroke among other things like not remembering my date of birth from sleep deprivation. I feel like I need to soak up Every day because if I don't get my meds MY OWN way..then I'll be out of luck before I'm even 40.
    And this is why people turn to online vendors. The medical and governmental powers that be seem to think it's all one big party, when all we're doing is trying to get through the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellyn View Post
    And this is why people turn to online vendors. The medical and governmental powers that be seem to think it's all one big party, when all we're doing is trying to get through the day.
    Exactly! It's not getting high or having fun...it's functioning, surviving and coping.
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    Hey guys,

    Thought I'd share this.... Not sure if we're #1 in the country any more, but we were thru most of this horrendous war on drugs/pain patients as being the worst in the country w/forced tapers & getting no help from any kind of docs. Things are still very bad here & all eyes have been on our state because so many are afraid their state will follow suit in all of the awful things doctors are doing &/or not doing for their patients.
    I joined 2 FB groups that have been great at keeping up on all of the latest info. The gal who runs the group from my state keeps up on everything from all over the country & we have members from all over. She & many of the members are a treasure trove of very good information! This is my personal favorite group.
    Both groups have been super helpful & are always looking for more people to join, raise awareness of everything that's going on & even some protesting (nothing crazy, it's all done very tasteful, professional & legally, no pressure what so ever. More like they post things you can sign that get sent to various groups & government officials trying to help pain patients, some who are harming pain patients). I may have 1 more to add to this list but have to find the name again...

    Anyhow here are the 2 groups anyone can join to keep updated on all subjects that have to do w/the horrendous treatment of pain patients & the tyrants spreading the lies, fueling the wrong fires, using pain patients& the war on drugs as their platform to further their careers even tho they know nothing of what it's like to live with it.

    - Oregon Pain Action Group
    - Pain Class Action/ACLU/ADA Legal Focus Group


    Hope this is helpful to anyone looking to keep up on all of the latest going ons!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rais4 View Post
    I've been on Klonopin for almost 20 years, new doctors refer me to a psychiatrist and ALL of them have had a 3-month waiting list.

    I've had a stroke, horrific seizures...all the usual benzo withdrawal..I am now a criminal because I don't want to die. I want to live some quality of life. I have had the same dose and now that I AM MY OWN DOCTOR I up my dose when I am doing something in public or a birthday party for my daughter, or the other learning to drive and I was having a doctor literally seeing my BP at the level where I ended up having a stroke, he gave me a pill for Blood Pressure and said Ok this is the last script and then you go cold turkey... because he didn't want to deal with it.

    20 years on Klonopin 3 to 4 times a day 1mg and the doctor weaned me off in 6 weeks, I had a Stroke among other things like not remembering my date of birth from sleep deprivation. I feel like I need to soak up Every day because if I don't get my meds MY OWN way..then I'll be out of luck before I'm even 40.
    @rais4-I just got out of the hospital myself from benzo withdrawal. I was by the time I got to the hospital I was psychotic, My BP was through the roof, then I lapsed in a 5-day coma. The entire time my husband was telling the Doctor I had been out of my Clonazolam for 7 days, I was unable to eat, hold down fluids and kept having seizures, My husband was not there when they happened, but I always void my bladder when they do and I am too out of it to even notice it.

    The E.R Doc said Benzo withdrawal would not cause all these symptoms and that I just had a bad UTI! Does he not know that Benzo withdrawal and Alcohol withdrawal are to 2 most dangerous drugs to get off of.

    The reason I could not get them filled on time was that my psychiatrist went on Vacation for two weeks without informing his patients that they may need a script filled during that time. I am very lucky I didn't have a stroke. I am so sorry you did. How are you coping?

    I get irritated that all the focus on the people suffering is opioid-related because they are doing the same thing to 30-year benzo users like myself. I agree to keep the new, younger patients that come in for anxiety off benzos until all resources have been exhausted, but grandfather us, opiate and Benzo users in so we won't die or suffer every day! I was 20 when I went to see my GP from constant panic attacks and by the time I turned 22 I was on 2mg 4x daily. He retired and I have to drive to another state to see a Pshyciachrist. He dropped me to 3mg of Klonopin a day. It was such a shock to my system that I have been just surviving, not living, it keeps me sane, but the insomnia is still there as well as constant fear.

    To everyone suffering from pain, anxiety or both, you're not alone. I would gladly join a class action suit. I am in Texas.
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    @Kessa, so sorry you went thru so much misery with your withdrawal and your doctors. "Just a bad UTI" , I would've punched him!
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  16. @Kessa, that's why i always pay attention to certain vendors who do overnight for emergencies. But you were definitely subjected to malpractice, as even a cursory google search would tell any idiot how dangerous a benzo wd is. my son has gone to the doc's a few times with panic attacks and always been given some benzos, so i wasn't aware they were so restrictive (and they make him sleepy so he doesn't take them). i'm so sorry an er doc treated you that way when he could have given you some pills to tide you over.

    as for opiate wds, i came across a study from 2017 which suggested tramadol was an effective agent to use for opiate wd. a number of treatment programs were actually using it, short term of course. it wasn't as effective as suboxone but more so than clonidine.

    so anyone worried about being cut off might consider tram as an alternative. wd from pks won't kill you but it's not pleasant. that doctors don't even blink when cutting off patients and endangering their lives is sickening. then they wonder why some patients use heroin. pks are not gateway drugs: the lack of them in a chronic pain situation is the gateway.
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