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    @GreenThumb that was a great post! I take off my hat to it. You said it in spades.
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    @GreenThumb that was a great post! I take off my hat to it. You said it in spades.
    ah, it's just the goddam withdrawal and my bad temper. Pay no heed, Government is God!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenThumb View Post
    ah, it's just the goddam withdrawal and my bad temper. Pay no heed, Government is God!!!!
    Sorry as hell you're having to go thru this. Do you ever have some kratom on hand to try to help in this spot? Geez, I hope something shows up real soon!!
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    More A+ posts from @jaders and @GreenThumb - thank you to both of you for your awesome thoughts & everyone else participating in this (imo at least) very important conversation.

    As time goes on, society seems to be regressing with its puritanical attitude toward people who (god forbid) need to take some kind of medication in order to have any quality of life. And, by the way, I don't necessarily think it's fair to blame addicts for this. Yes, the "opioid crisis" and resulting overdoses are primarily due to fentanyl-laced drugs, not prescription-grade opioids; however, there wouldn't be such an influx of people using these dangerous street drugs if they wouldn't have been cut off in the first place. In addition, the way addiction works, it physically changes brain chemistry and invades many parts of the brain, including but not limited to the limbic system which deals with reward & survival. So, they too, because of the way their brain is operating, believe they need their drug of choice in order to survive. So, I think addicts are just an easy scapegoat. The real cause of this "crisis" are the idiots in charge, the ones who think it's okay to deny us life-saving medications, and who think it's okay to throw a person in a jail cell for putting a societally-designated-taboo substance in his body.

    What's next, total prohibition? We all know how well that worked out with alcohol. Why not try the exact opposite, and see how that works?! Deregulation has been tried in several countries, and it seems to work fantastically. Just look at marijuana legalization in the U.S. Are there pot zombies walking the streets? Have things gotten worse because of this newly accessible marijuana? NO. Deregulation only serves to make things safer, lower overdose rates, and even provide cash-flow into the government. It's like they have zero interest in actual harm reduction (surprise, surprise, right?). I guess the prison & drug rehab companies need their cash flow, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vytis drakona View Post
    More A+ posts from @jaders and @GreenThumb - thank you to both of you for your awesome thoughts & everyone else participating in this (imo at least) very important conversation.

    As time goes on, society seems to be regressing with its puritanical attitude toward people who (god forbid) need to take some kind of medication in order to have any quality of life. And, by the way, I don't necessarily think it's fair to blame addicts for this. Yes, the "opioid crisis" and resulting overdoses are primarily due to fentanyl-laced drugs, not prescription-grade opioids; however, there wouldn't be such an influx of people using these dangerous street drugs if they wouldn't have been cut off in the first place. In addition, the way addiction works, it physically changes brain chemistry and invades many parts of the brain, including but not limited to the limbic system which deals with reward & survival. So, they too, because of the way their brain is operating, believe they need their drug of choice in order to survive. So, I think addicts are just an easy scapegoat. The real cause of this "crisis" are the idiots in charge, the ones who think it's okay to deny us life-saving medications, and who think it's okay to throw a person in a jail cell for putting a societally-designated-taboo substance in his body.

    What's next, total prohibition? We all know how well that worked out with alcohol. Why not try the exact opposite, and see how that works?! Deregulation has been tried in several countries, and it seems to work fantastically. Just look at marijuana legalization in the U.S. Are there pot zombies walking the streets? Have things gotten worse because of this newly accessible marijuana? NO. Deregulation only serves to make things safer, lower overdose rates, and even provide cash-flow into the government. It's like they have zero interest in actual harm reduction (surprise, surprise, right?). I guess the prison & drug rehab companies need their cash flow, too.
    I really agree with your assessment of the US's puritanical attitude. We constantly and continually try to ignore REALITY, and keep trying to force people into these "boxes" of how we think they SHOULD behave. A good example is teen sexual behavior. We just want kids to abstain, ignoring the reality of what really happens which should dictate giving them the best "tools" to deal with the issues (contraception and sex education.) We want people to do all sorts of things that we think constitute good behavior, meanwhile blithely ignoring the fact that folks are just human, (meaning often weak and make poor choices at times.) And the fact that we spend the most money of any country on prisons and have more people locked up than anywhere else shows we don't learn this lesson.

    I completely agree with you about the need to deregulate ALL drugs and allow people to make their own choices. I think very few folks would go for heroin and fentanyl if the "lower level" meds were easily available. Heck, it would seem that the heroin and fentanyl are the EASIEST to get lately. And this will reduce the deaths? It's just madness...
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    @jaders - Hell yes! Your example of teens & sex ed is perfect. I don't know why it's the 21st century and people are still so old-fashioned with their ideals and "morals", or maybe they just want to look the other way. Either way it makes no sense, and it helps no one! Shaming a kid for his natural urges is one of the worst ways to deal with the issue. The truth is, total abstinence is absolutely unattainable for the majority of people, especially in this day and age, so why not arm kids with knowledge and an actual education, like you said? I mean, the lack of sex education and health classes in schools is really terrible - it's sad how many adults, even, are walking around with so little knowledge of sex and how things work, but that's a whole separate issue, LOL.

    I'm totally for deregulation of all substances. And I agree, if chronic pain patients were able to get the meds they need, the use of harder opiates would go down drastically. And lots of people would never have to turn to them in the first place and thus get involved in the heartbreaking struggle of addiction..

    There are so many things that can be done to help people who are struggling with pain, anxiety, and addiction, but instead we just turn them away at the door, reduce/take away their meds, or lock them up so society doesn't have to see them. And does the jail system work? Does the drug rehabilitation system even work more than like 2-5% of the time?? Nope. I'm living proof. I think it's high time to try something new. Unfortunately, as long as we keep worshiping money and corporations like some kind of gods, I don't see it happening.
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    We must see the same pompous pain management Dr. I gave him 5 years and went through every recommendation, but I drew the line at 6 weeks of pt. Hello Dr God I have a family I am helping my husband support, I can’t take 6 weeks off to learn to tell myself I am not in pain and play head games on myself and pt is going to make me hurt more and still no meds.

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    True story. I can get illegal street drugs easier than I can get a Dr to write me a script for pain, sleep and anxiety. On top of it being easier to get it is cheaper than what I pay to order what I need. Does that even seem reasonable? I don’t buy street drugs, but they are easy to get.
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    We must see the same pompous pain management Dr. I gave him 5 years and went through every recommendation, but I drew the line at 6 weeks of pt. Hello Dr God I have a family I am helping my husband support, I can’t take 6 weeks off to learn to tell myself I am not in pain and play head games on myself and pt is going to make me hurt more and still no meds.

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    True story. I can get illegal street drugs easier than I can get a Dr to write me a script for pain, sleep and anxiety. On top of it being easier to get it is cheaper than what I pay to order what I need. Does that even seem reasonable? I don’t buy street drugs, but they are easy to get.
    @DW4210... it baffles me that a doctor can even recommend something like an inhouse rehab program unless there are very specific goals and program benefits that can't be handled on an outpatient basis. It's like saying that I need a physical therapist living with me to watch to make sure I do my exercises...yes, the ones that don't help.

    A while back I had looked into a program offered by a highly rated PT rehab facility in this area just to see what they offered. You had to live there, follow their exact timetable, couldn't leave or go out, participate in every group activity so you could all "talk through" your issues with the others, and of course do your own rehab exercises.

    Well first thing that crossed THAT off my list of possibles was how you were REQUIRED to get up at 6 friggin 30 AM!!! Only thing I do at 6:30 is go to the bathroom before crawling back into bed. Now why is 6:30 some magic get up time? How will that heal bulging discs and pinched nerves? What if I'm a night person?

    And I'm typically a private person in that I don't usually sit in public and tell anyone my life story (yes, a private forum is different to me and often very helpful for venting but a roomful of people? Nah). Again, how is telling my story to others going to heal me - we're not talking about psychological problems but structural problems and physical problems. And why would listening to someone else's story help me? I've got friends and you guys here who I'd rather listen to!

    Finally how great would it be if you paid your non refundable money and walked in to find yourself sitting across from that b*itch who went out with your college sweetheart, love of your life? (Just kidding but it could be anyone you don't want to 'share') with
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  10. Doctors are a gigantic pain in the ass. My doc scheduled me for a follow-up blood pressure check yesterday. I got there 15 minutes early (just like they request me to do) and I sat in that goddam waiting room for over an hour, watching people with appointments AFTER mine go in ahead of me.

    I finally went up to the secretary and told her time is money and you've wasted enough of my money, so I'm leaving, and don't bother scheduling another appointment. She acted totally nonplussed, no apology, nothing. Why should she care? If they try and charge for the visit, I'm going to visit them in person and do a little attitude adjustment.

    **** this, I'm done with doc's, Imma order a cache of antibiotics ans blood pressure pills and screw the whole system. Of course, I have to still pay for a bloated insurance policy, so I loose either way.
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    I had one doctor for my son that was chronically over subscribed. We never had a wait of less than an hour to see this guy. It was regularly 1.5-2 hours wait. We waited for seven hours once - and that was with people dropping out before and after us. We couldn’t not go because it was a psychiatric doctor, and my son had to have his meds.

    The problem was the doctor took every emergency visit.. and once a couple of them drop by, those over 15 minute visits really add up.

    Anyway, we left him years ago, and never wait for more than 1/2 hour not at the worst. Almost always we go in right on time.
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  12. I have had doctors in the past that seem to only give you a quick diagnosis and move onto the next patient. I call these drive through doctors. They have no bedside manner and only care about how many they can push through in a day. My Doctor now has great bedside manner and will give as much time as needed. You may have to sit in the waiting room longer but it is worth it in the end. It also helps that he has a good staff behind him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRNUTTY View Post
    I had one doctor for my son that was chronically over subscribed. We never had a wait of less than an hour to see this guy. It was regularly 1.5-2 hours wait. We waited for seven hours once - and that was with people dropping out before and after us. We couldn’t not go because it was a psychiatric doctor, and my son had to have his meds.

    The problem was the doctor took every emergency visit.. and once a couple of them drop by, those over 15 minute visits really add up.

    Anyway, we left him years ago, and never wait for more than 1/2 hour not at the worst. Almost always we go in right on time.
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    I know this might not work with a doctor that has to take emergency visits, but I have trick I figured out, with the help of some really caring staff. One of my doctors is the same way. You are lucky if he takes you in less than 4 hours, and that is with going early. The staff told me to always take the first appointment after lunch. I have doctors that work right through lunch, but if they do take a lunch break, and you are the first, you get in and out much quicker. I suppose this would work with a first AM appt too. I wouldn't know, because I try to avoid really early appointments, as I never know when I won't be able to sleep. I have to work on no sleep, but not if I can avoid it. So I won't make an early visit, unless I have no choice. The after lunch thing does work, but it has to fit the doctor's practice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaders View Post
    Even tho I understand your point of view I can’t agree with it. There are a gazillion alcoholics out there who ruin their lives but NOBODY is trying to outlaw alcohol. There is a double standard about drugs because somehow certain substances have become acceptable and other ones aren’t. Also we’ve gotten into the habit of letting too many authority figures make too many decisions for us so we can blame THEM if things go south. I detest this abdication of responsibility.

    Personally I think it’s my right to ingest whatever I choose (as long as it’s labeled “correctly,” and it’s MY responsibility for whatever effects my choices create for me. We can’t have the right and then expect to blame others for what happens.

    All these stories about the difficulties in obtaining “help” from doctors make me want to cry. The only way out of this IS to take measures into our own hands and maybe that will cause the shift I personally think has to happen.

    Just my thoughts on all of this.
    @jaders "I really like your post, especially paragraph one, sentence two" ~ ......but, "NOBODY is trying to outlaw alcohol". ha! ha! IMHO, the double standard you speak of is so Crystal Clear to me, as
    I age".............maybe some "authority figures should include or amend the USA Controlled Substances Act, Title II, of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention & Control Act of 1970 !

    Example #1 Hard Liquor, that is 80 proof or more, should be included in the above Controlled Substances Act, as a Schedule II. (no refills) on the prescription, written by a USA M.D.

    Example #2 Wine, Champagne, other spirits, with a alcohol content, above say 12% should be a USA Schedule III, meaning up to 5 refills within 6 months, by a licensed USA physician.

    Example #3 Beer, and other misc liquids that contain alcohol, less than 12%, should be a USA Schedule IV, meaning up to 5 refills, within a 6 month period of time from the date the
    prescription is written by a USA Medical Doctor, thus, one could say get a RX for, a one or two six pack of beer, with up to 5 refills, at retail establishments, (grocery stores,
    convenience stores, pharmacies, etc., etc, as long as one produces a USA drivers license or official government ID to prove they are at least 18 years old, vs. 21 years old !

    Afterthoughts: ha! ha! I am old enough to remember when, the prescription drug, discovered by the late Leo Sternbach (see: GOOD CHEMISTRY "the life & legacy of Leo Sternbach"
    (published by McGraw-Hill 2004) ISBN 0-07-142617-5) was V@LIUM (Di@zepam) in 1963, it was the #1 Selling ethical prescription drug for years & years, in the USA, until our USA
    government including the D ee A, included R0che V@lium (Di@zepam) into the 1970 Controlled Substances Act in JULY of 1975 !! thus, a V@lium prescription could no longer be
    written for one solid year with such as: Dispense: #100 x 10 (ten mg) V@LIUM DAW Take as Directed refills: PRN (meaning refill when needed, (using common sense) to the
    USA pharmacy in every state in the union in the USA. I once knew former adults who took diaz every day like a vitamin, & they called their med a "lifetime script" before year 1975 !

    1975 law, making VAL's in USA a C-IV, and, the RX only good for up to 6 months, and, the refills, vary from 1 to 5. (Max). Thus, for more V's one has to return to the M.D much more often !

    I have seen many other examples, but I will spare you a wall of text, another sedative, I shall not name, was the #6 top selling sedative in the USA in 1972, by, the following year
    it went from a NON SCHEDULED DRUG, (only requiring a prescription) once a year, such as written for again commonly for #60 to #100 tabs, with, the script written take one or two
    at bedtime, if needed. and/or "take as needed" refills again PRN ! By July of 1973, the Dee E A upgraded this sedative to a C-II ( most on here knows what that means) by 1984 this
    sedative now was banned from USA productions and became a C-I. I am not speaking of recreational meds, this was promoted by "1/2 dozen ethical pharmaceutical firms as a non
    addictive alternative to the time proven B @ RBS.........the substitute I have avoided to mention the name was first introduced in the year 1965, (USA).

    Final laugh to me was the introduction of "ULTR@M" in the early 1990's , the pharma detail reps pushed it as a miracle med, not addictive, and as strong as Codeine, from the biased ? unbiased ?
    allegedly ethical pharmaceutical tests. So the brand name, a/k/a known as "tr@mad0L" some 20 years later, becomes a USA C-IV, I estimate around the year 2014 !! Ultr@m was the
    name brand patented by 0rth0 McN e I L . ANOTHER example for pm's is what we all know here on PR as the re-scheduling of a very old pm...from a USA C-III to a USA C-II.

    Thanks again @jaders, for your wise insight about all your thoughts! ......so unfortunate, but true, about the "gazillion (active) alcoholics out there".......(sentence two paragraph one).

    If I have broken any rules, mods please modify my controlled substance statements & schedules.........(spoiled/jaded with the senior section) ............my intent was to enforce &
    compliment the subject at hand. This world has changed so much, I often do not feel I fit in anymore, (at least in the good old USA).......being a ex-patriot used to be my dream !
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  15. the ignorance of certain drs is one very personal of me--------it goes to s few good older friends i knew who used to be strong working men-one a fire fighter but severely back screwed up and because this man was so honest and thinking the dr knows better then he does }{thoe we told him NO SURGERY $ BACK} but he went what was suppose to be one surgery and then 6 years later-----------4 surgeries also he was worse off and needed daily heavy duty meds to live---------but thanks to our "WAR ON OPIATES" ---his DR and workers comp people said ===WE ARE STOPPING YOUR OPIATES----------in the way they decreased his dose the poor guy sweated like crazy------felt insane-------and just did himself with a shot to the head------------THIS IS NOT ONE INCIDENT____u just dont hear the press talking about chronic pain patients being tortured due to this WAR ON OPIATES---------and they die due to lack------and it continues---------i guess the good die young===========i am done with this
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