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    Quote Originally Posted by Trampy View Post
    Nobody mentions methadone maintenance because of the stigma created by the media brainwashing machine. Set yourself free by realizing that almost everything on the news is lie, propaganda, or both.
    So true about the methadone propaganda. I’ve read more useless posts on local media stories where they cry about how it’s just government sanctioned drug abuse. And it’s just trading one addiction for another. They have no clue what folks have to go thru to get it and stay on it. Or how it allows someone to live a “normal” life and have a job etc.

    No one believes the news anymore because everyone lies to make a case for their own biased “agenda.” Well not everyone, but the ones who DO try to be truthful and unbiased, get accused of conspiring by the ones actually DOING the conspiring...
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    Nobody mentions methadone maintenance because of the stigma created by the media brainwashing machine. Set yourself free by realizing that almost everything on the news is lie, propaganda, or both.
    I was in MMT a long long time and I admit it saved my life and was able to obtain employment because of it. I am sure my experience is not an indication of all of them.
    MMT can be a savior from other addictions. I was terrified for years to detox … but when I finally had enough of the constant degrading from the so called dosing nurses and policy changes at a once great treatment center I finally had enough of it. Its a cash cow for them. When my insurance finally did start paying, the cost went from me paying $400 - $450 monthly in cash to the insurance being billed $1600-$2100 per month. Btw, they never did backpay me for the 18 months as promised once my insurance kicked in. Even though I had zero failed screens while in MMT (many years worth) but once the insurance took over it went from 2-3 times a year to an every month event (sometimes twice when called in for TH verifications). I finally detoxed out in 6 months after having enough of the BS. I am not against anyone using MMT to defeat their addictions … but if you go in without a plan to detox … you may never escape.


    Edit: I was grandfathered in for monthlies after rules changed to biweekly then weekly only TH's. I feel I was (and other monthlies) were constantly scrutinized with bogus infractions in attempt to rid all monthlies. This made no sense to me as it put a strain on both the client and center. There were over 3000 clients with 60+ monthlies TH's when the changes started. Within 6 months the total was under 10 and there were only 2 left when I finally detoxed out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kermit S View Post
    I was in MMT a long long time and I admit it saved my life and was able to obtain employment because of it. I am sure my experience is not an indication of all of them.
    MMT can be a savior from other addictions. I was terrified for years to detox … but when I finally had enough of the constant degrading from the so called dosing nurses and policy changes at a once great treatment center I finally had enough of it. Its a cash cow for them. When my insurance finally did start paying, the cost went from me paying $400 - $450 monthly in cash to the insurance being billed $1600-$2100 per month. Btw, they never did backpay me for the 18 months as promised once my insurance kicked in. Even though I had zero failed screens while in MMT (many years worth) but once the insurance took over it went from 2-3 times a year to an every month event (sometimes twice when called in for TH verifications). I finally detoxed out in 6 months after having enough of the BS. I am not against anyone using MMT to defeat their addictions … but if you go in without a plan to detox … you may never escape.


    Edit: I was grandfathered in for monthlies after rules changed to biweekly then weekly only TH's. I feel I was (and other monthlies) were constantly scrutinized with bogus infractions in attempt to rid all monthlies. This made no sense to me as it put a strain on both the client and center. There were over 3000 clients with 60+ monthlies TH's when the changes started. Within 6 months the total was under 10 and there were only 2 left when I finally detoxed out.
    Obviously I have zero experience with this substance and the whole medication-assisted therapy, but can you imagine if we treated diabetics or ANY other health issue like we do addiction? It’s like we think addicts are the lowest scum and only by the grace of the universe might you get a little bit of “humane” treatment.

    A very good friend of mine is slowly dying from his morbid obesity. He’s been diabetic for years and has the whole gamut of issues related to his weight which is still “over.”. I love him like a brother and while watching this whole scene play out I can say he has never been able to eat “normally” yet despite his myriad of health problems including amputations, not to mention the cost his healthcare has incurred, no one has ever treated him with the same disdain and contempt that drug addicts are subjected to. No one ever says he can’t have his meds because he’s still “too fat.” Why do we treat addiction issues, especially heroin, so damn differently?

    It’s gonna take a few generations of changing this mindset to stop seeing addiction as a moral issue to that of a health issue.
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    Peaches Geldof was on a MMT programme. Despite not commiting a crime the place she had her MMT at was called the Crime Reduction Initiative. Addicts that never had so much as a speeding ticket had to go to the same place that had all type of Criminals and prostitutes waiting. for some reason they needed to be in the treatment place on average for an hour, so they had free snacks and magazines and there were sessions for particular users. most people assumed the females were prostitutes as in the UK, if they were found soliciting they were automatically sent there. So women had to put up with men slowing down and calling them over to thier car while they were walking from the clinic. The clinic only had parking for staff. A friend of mine was harassed on average twice a week ( she had to go there 5 times a week). People in the area KNEW what the place was for, and everyone that walked up to the building ( no car spaces) were judged as criminals. That place is no longer called the Crime Reduction Initiative, but Peach Geldof was one of their most famous clients and NO she never committed any crime. Apparently she used to turn up in a hoody and stayed glued to her *phone. people never recognised her, it was only until after she died people twigged. she was a millionaire so she dressed in cheap clothes and had a cheap phone so her real phone would not get stolen and her cover would be blown. My friend nearly said to her, that she looked like peach Geldof. At the time she was always in the papers and TV over her " parenting theory" . Her sad story ( she died of an OD) brought to light , other users complaining about the clinic and how they too were assumed to be criminals and prostitutes as soon as the name CRI was mentioned people were curious about what " Crime" she committed. That proves that YES in the UK, addicts are LITERALLY treated like criminals and a Daughter of World Famous man, who OD'ed proved it. I have NO idea what they changed the name to, but whatever it is, it does not change the fact that addicts have to be put in with criminals and deal with sleazy men who think they are prossies that will blow them for a Tenner or some drugs. the police KNEW women wre being harassed but did nothing. They even had pimps ( male and female) there that were trying to lure vunerable girls into their brothels.
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  6. I was on MMT for 33 months to self-treat my life-long melancholia. Under federal rules, all you need is being opiate dependent for the prior 12 months, which could be Suboxone. My story is at Reddit /methadone as /wishdoctor79 , and that subReddit is a good place for info from longtimers on MMT. After 8 years on Suboxone the clinic at a teaching hospital was closed after I pointed out some deficiencies and errors in my treatment by a medical professor PCP. I was given 30 days to find a new provider. I didn't want to find a new Suboxone provider. At my intake I was taking only methadone tablets which a PA prescribed for me not realizing doing so for opioid maintenance was illegal, giving me 40 mg/day for 30 days. So at my methadone intake they did a pee-cup 5-panel and it was negative for everything because they hadn't tested me for methadone, but i had the pharmacy bottle with pills remaining and my name on it no less. You don't need to be a "addict" whatever that is. The law talks about dependency, not addiction. Five years later i still have some of those 10-mg tablets though the label is no longer legible from all the times i've held it and counted the pills. Yes, even after my year-long taper from 100 mg to zero i still have some of those pills left, which i'm using now to see if i ought to start hanging out there with cigarettes in order to strike up some conversations with the clients and maybe meet a new friend looking for a regular exchange for mutual benefit. Just 10 mg a day is a tremendous lift, for me, which is $2/day at 20 cents/mg. I've never seen methadone sold by an IOP.

    My clinic was the last one in town that was the last holdout remaining self-pay until the Obamacare rules and Medicaid expansion forced them to accept Medicaid reimbursement by putting pressure on them somehow which seems like national socialism. I advanced takehomes every 90 days, reaching biweekly with 13 takehomes after clean UAs and perfect behavior after a year + 90 days, which is the federal minimum as this clinic interpreted it. They had been profitable from charging $250/month as long as they didn't have the hassles of accepting any third-party reimbursement. But i didn't see how much it had gone downhill until a new counselor pulled my takehomes where if i'd seen the writing on the wall i could have transferred to a different clinic while still in good standing. They do that and many clinics would be glad to accept a transfer client because a new client off the street takes so much more staff time and they're bringing all their problems with them, so a person coming in to get 13 bottles every two weeks is a lot less effort on their part. But that's going off topic.

    Judging by the posts, and many mentions of vendors carrying 512s, which i had to look up just now to see it's a generic Percocet 5, there are plenty of people here with long-term dependency on opiates and they have plenty of proof it's more than 12 months, making them eligible for MMT. My own state has no restrictions, but some states do, increasing the duration needed to earn takehomes. Anyway, if you get tired of the constant ordering and riding that roller coaster, check out your local methadone clinics and also feel free to PM me because it was a very good experience for me to be able to be happy and healthy until the very end when the clinic became a Medicaid-funded zoo and i lost my takehomes.

    Or start a thread and tell your story to get some feedback on what it might be like to give up the self-medicating and surrender yourself to once-daily methadone, as much as you can handle, and give up any benzos you take without a scrip, and no cocaine or amphetamines either. Methadone was my medicine and it was very good for me while it lasted.
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    Is that the Woman in the Red Dress that interviewed Putin and he was basically laughing at her?
    @Farley...I think you’re thinking of Megan Kelly maybe - a former Fox “news” personality who went to a real network and got her own show. She landed some impressive interviews initially but then she fizzled after the first couple of shows.

    The bimbo we’re talking about was a 2nd rate pollster who worked for Ted Cruz bashing Trump. When Trump got the nomination she suddenly found great things to say about him and worked on his campaign. Then she got hired as an “adviser” but she’s knows as a pit bull they send out when they run into some bad press (like another woman accusing Trump of rape). She goes out and deflects and rants and talks over whoever tries to interview her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trampy View Post
    Nobody mentions methadone maintenance because of the stigma created by the media brainwashing machine. Set yourself free by realizing that almost everything on the news is lie, propaganda, or both.
    do you watch JamieDlux channel on youtube?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bawston View Post
    @Farley...I think you’re thinking of Megan Kelly maybe - a former Fox “news” personality who went to a real network and got her own show. She landed some impressive interviews initially but then she fizzled after the first couple of shows.

    The bimbo we’re talking about was a 2nd rate pollster who worked for Ted Cruz bashing Trump. When Trump got the nomination she suddenly found great things to say about him and worked on his campaign. Then she got hired as an “adviser” but she’s knows as a pit bull they send out when they run into some bad press (like another woman accusing Trump of rape). She goes out and deflects and rants and talks over whoever tries to interview her.
    I always get them confused lol. She was going on about footprints and putin wa saying a dogs or a humans and just laughing at her. It was Bizzare! but you DON'T wear that type of clothing to do serious interviews. He was right to call her out by saying " I will just look at you etc" I don't recall whar type of figure this Lady has, but I was surprised and he his calling out was subtle and made to look like a compliment, in reality he was saying " don't expect me to take you seriously if you have your goodies on display lol". Was she the one that was married to a guy that Trump was calling a " HUGE LOSER" and the guy responded by listing the DSMV Criteria for NPD lol?

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    @Farley...KellyAnn (advisor to Trump) is married to a lawyer who can’t stand Trump and is constantly tweeting rebuttals to Trump’s tweets. It’s pretty funny because he calls Trump every name in the book and his wife works for him. Can’t even imagine what dinner time is like in their house!

    What I’ve noticed a lot ,especially on the Fox (Rumpert Murdock’s) channel is the females all dress as if they’re at a cocktail party. Of course half the men working there have been fired for sexual harassment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bawston View Post
    @Farley...KellyAnn (advisor to Trump) is married to a lawyer who can’t stand Trump and is constantly tweeting rebuttals to Trump’s tweets. It’s pretty funny because he calls Trump every name in the book and his wife works for him. Can’t even imagine what dinner time is like in their house!

    What I’ve noticed a lot ,especially on the Fox (Rumpert Murdock’s) channel is the females all dress as if they’re at a cocktail party. Of course half the men working there have been fired for sexual harassment.
    Yes, they are all behind the times. Watching Fox is like being back in the early 60's. Cocktail parties, racism, sexism but the middle class was still alive!
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    So true about the methadone propaganda. I’ve read more useless posts on local media stories where they cry about how it’s just government sanctioned drug abuse. And it’s just trading one addiction for another. They have no clue what folks have to go thru to get it and stay on it. Or how it allows someone to live a “normal” life and have a job etc.

    No one believes the news anymore because everyone lies to make a case for their own biased “agenda.” Well not everyone, but the ones who DO try to be truthful and unbiased, get accused of conspiring by the ones actually DOING the conspiring...
    My favorite historian towards the end of his life was obviously very sad that his life's work to bring truth was largely erased down the memory hole. You and I seem to have several things in common, some of which being a love of truth and the realization that the vast majority of the sheeple really do prefer lies to truth. He estimated only one in a million people live a life where they never lie. Our school systems teach children that it's not just OK to lie, but they really do train children that it's necessary to be a liar as an essential part of their indoctrination. They teach absurd and preposterous lies as truth, so no wonder so many people end up being confused and miserable from the cognitive dissonance. I'm just glad most of my life is over because truth-tellers in our society are now always vehemently attacked by a herd of conformist liars. When I was growing up, being truthful was a highly esteemed virtue. Nowadays the conformist zombies will attack anyone who speaks truth because they don't like being exposed as liars and frauds.

    The thing that happens when a person stops lying is they become very aware when others are lying, which is all the time. In this Alice in Wonderland world, freedom is slavery, war is peace, and lies become truth. Deviant desires are sanctified but any type of nonconformist thought is brutally suppressed. Anyone who thinks an original thought is committing thoughtcrime if they share that idea with others, and outside of the US people are imprisoned for expressing an unpopular thought.

    While of course the vast majority of any group will be conformist, this message board would attract independent thinkers as well, because there are many people here who see the medical establishment for what it is, and these people at possible great cost choose to decide what meds they will take, and they take responsibility for their own health because doctors worthy of that trust are very few and far between.
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    @Bawston what the hell is up with Nancy Grace? I thought I was watching some kind of parody at first, is she actually for real? As in that is her real personality, not just an act? Yeah I follow Trump for the lolz. the Russian Embassy is the UK twitter is as funny as Fuk, I don't know who runs it but they blatantly take the piss out of the UK all the time. The Brit embassy have a boring and polite and response or don't reply. When the poison thing happened, they were posting memes of Poirot and Sherlock Homes trying to solve the case. ( at the time it was just poor taste as they did not think the people who were poisoned accidently and on purpose were going to make it) Poisoned tea, tipped umbrellas, poision in perfume bottles. Why do they have to be so theatrical, JFC just people bump people off to look like a suicide or random accident like what normal political parties do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trampy View Post
    My favorite historian towards the end of his life was obviously very sad that his life's work to bring truth was largely erased down the memory hole. You and I seeem to have several things in common, one of which beiing a love of truth and a realization that the vast majority of the sheeple really do prefer lies to truth.
    who was that Historian? I heard that Methadone is far more addictive than heroin and in the US have pill form? and it it is used for pain? over here it is green liquid used to get off heroin. I dunno much about MMT tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trampy View Post
    I was on MMT for 33 months to self-treat my life-long melancholia. Under federal rules, all you need is being opiate dependent for the prior 12 months, which could be Suboxone. My story is at Reddit /methadone as /wishdoctor79 , and that subReddit is a good place for info from longtimers on MMT. After 8 years on Suboxone the clinic at a teaching hospital was closed after I pointed out some deficiencies and errors in my treatment by a medical professor PCP. I was given 30 days to find a new provider. I didn't want to find a new Suboxone provider. At my intake I was taking only methadone tablets which a PA prescribed for me not realizing doing so for opioid maintenance was illegal, giving me 40 mg/day for 30 days. So at my methadone intake they did a pee-cup 5-panel and it was negative for everything because they hadn't tested me for methadone, but i had the pharmacy bottle with pills remaining and my name on it no less. You don't need to be a "addict" whatever that is. The law talks about dependency, not addiction. Five years later i still have some of those 10-mg tablets though the label is no longer legible from all the times i've held it and counted the pills. Yes, even after my year-long taper from 100 mg to zero i still have some of those pills left, which i'm using now to see if i ought to start hanging out there with cigarettes in order to strike up some conversations with the clients and maybe meet a new friend looking for a regular exchange for mutual benefit. Just 10 mg a day is a tremendous lift, for me, which is $2/day at 20 cents/mg. I've never seen methadone sold by an IOP.

    My clinic was the last one in town that was the last holdout remaining self-pay until the Obamacare rules and Medicaid expansion forced them to accept Medicaid reimbursement by putting pressure on them somehow which seems like national socialism. I advanced takehomes every 90 days, reaching biweekly with 13 takehomes after clean UAs and perfect behavior after a year + 90 days, which is the federal minimum as this clinic interpreted it. They had been profitable from charging $250/month as long as they didn't have the hassles of accepting any third-party reimbursement. But i didn't see how much it had gone downhill until a new counselor pulled my takehomes where if i'd seen the writing on the wall i could have transferred to a different clinic while still in good standing. They do that and many clinics would be glad to accept a transfer client because a new client off the street takes so much more staff time and they're bringing all their problems with them, so a person coming in to get 13 bottles every two weeks is a lot less effort on their part. But that's going off topic.

    Judging by the posts, and many mentions of vendors carrying 512s, which i had to look up just now to see it's a generic Percocet 5, there are plenty of people here with long-term dependency on opiates and they have plenty of proof it's more than 12 months, making them eligible for MMT. My own state has no restrictions, but some states do, increasing the duration needed to earn takehomes. Anyway, if you get tired of the constant ordering and riding that roller coaster, check out your local methadone clinics and also feel free to PM me because it was a very good experience for me to be able to be happy and healthy until the very end when the clinic became a Medicaid-funded zoo and i lost my takehomes.

    Or start a thread and tell your story to get some feedback on what it might be like to give up the self-medicating and surrender yourself to once-daily methadone, as much as you can handle, and give up any benzos you take without a scrip, and no cocaine or amphetamines either. Methadone was my medicine and it was very good for me while it lasted.
    TBH, I would love NOTHING MORE than to try methadone, but it’s the stigma that holds me back, along with the fact that once you pursue this avenue there’s never any “going back” to your innocence. If we actually treated everyone who was interested in this with some respect, an attitude of collaboration, and again, not just assume we’re all soulless zombies who would steal our mom’s last dollar to get “high,” I think a ton of folks would try it. I’ve even thought of going to one of the MAT clinics in my area under an assumed name to really educate myself in a one on one setting. But then I think, even if I found it worked for me, your fate is still completely in another’s hands and if you ARE lucky enough to get a good person, that can change at any time, as it sounds like happened to you. I often travel for a month at a time too so that’s just one more barrier, as the assumption that you can’t take this med “responsibly” is always there, even tho I’ve been taking my own regimen for YEARS at the same basic level.

    So I’m going to continue to keep my own counsel unless or until I would ever be forced down this route. But it’s becoming more and more popular as the heroin/fentany issue is still escalating so maybe that will help the stigma to evelove as well.

    As far as truthfulness, yes I believe we as typical fallible people have many reasons that hold us back from being truthful. I’ve always felt that the truth has a power that any lie never will, but it’s also true that we don’t really want the truth in so many cases, (school history books being one) and we seem to look down on truth tellers as tho being truthful equates to being a sucker. Just like winning at any cost has come to be admired, getting “your way” no matter how, is also seemingly respected. I see the human animal as an evolutionary experiment tho, and I think at some point we will find that truth has much more power than falsehoods, love has much more power than either hate or fear, and trusting the universe to lead us to these realizations is something I feel the need to hope for...
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  15. OK. Reddit is not gonna see me posting there because i don't like their censorship but there are plenty of people at /methadone you could share your story, and your location, because some states have much stricter laws on earning takehomes than what i was able to get.

    You mention stigma and using an assumed name to educate yourself. Using an alias to obtain a controlled substance from a methadone clinic could be a felony. Just go there and talk to some people and see what it looks like. Oh. Maybe you're a recognizable public figure or somesuch. Hmmm.

    Federal law has strict protections for MMT clients as to privacy. It's not like HIPAA where they share with anyone. But when you start out you need to be going there 6 days a week (usually) for observed dosing and that's why they open up early like 5:30 AM so you can go before work.

    Traveling for a month at a time? Well, that'd be a deal killer. People can arrange "guest dosing" at a clinic where they're visiting but it's a big hassle because you don't know what that clinic will be like till you get there. The maximum amount of takehomes is 27 bottles visiting every 4 weeks, but some clinics will stretch that out to monthly visits on a certain day of the month, and if your next visit falls on a Sunday or holiday they give you even more bottles. It takes a minimum of 2 years to reach that maximum level of takehomes.

    Methadone is very hard to find on DNM markets and IOPs, but it is available and I greatly prefer it to anything else because it just makes me feel good without any euphoria and that feeling lasts almost 24 hours even at just 10 mg a day.

    Make up a new identity to post at /methadone and get some feedback based on whatever you can disclose to them of your history and level of opiate usage, etc. etc. stuff you wouldn't reveal here and get that feedback from the long-term clients and the mods some of whom have 10+ years "clean" on MMT.

    Yes, that clinic did slowly become a zoo as compared to when I started, but as long as I was in good standing I could have transferred to a nearby clinic that was much better run. I stayed there too long and had a counselor who was borderline abusing me and I didn't handle that very politically and then one thing led to another and i was assigned to a new counselor who treated me like garbage and made me wait 3 weeks to see the doctor to raise my dose and because I was underdosed I used some diazepam and didn't handle it very well with the benzo-writing pill doctor married to the clinic's owner, so yeah, shit happens.. But those negative experiences have nothing whatsoever to do with what might happen to you if you were to go on MMT at some point. Maybe I'd gotten what I needed out of it and it was time for me to leave what was initially a very protective cocoon of the clinic life and its social supports, and a very good medicine obtained in known dosage and quality, with no legal worries or financial risks of loss.

    That clinic owner when I told them what happened they offered me the opportunity to go use one of their other clinics and instead of advancing in the takehome schedule after 90 days, moving up one level every 30 days of clean UAs is what they offered me, because i'd had such a long run of clean UAs and good behavior until it all collapsed.
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    @Farley...you know, as for Nancy Grace, I just don’t follow her - gawd! There’s enough just keeping up with regular news. From what I understand though she’s an actual lawyer/prosecutor. The one who’s batshit crazy is that Jeanine Pirro - if you want a laugh check her out on YouTube or online!

    You guys have Russian agents running around with poison tipped umbrellas, we’ve got Putin’s enemies “falling” out windows although there are also some who’ve apparently decided to take s running start in the living room and smash through a plate glass window to commit “suicide”...seems like finding a balcony or bridge would take less effort and maybe be more believable.

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