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    Pretty interesting reading, and I will probably do some more research before buying the unit and electrodes for the ears. And like Pinkflower mentioned in one of her posts, I also over the years have grown more cynical.
    In my specific case I tried for years to reduce pain through other methods than just popping pills. It got to the point where taking meds was just the easiest route. Takes a matter of seconds, took away the pain and gave me a great boost of energy.
    Fast forward 15 years later, and I’ve gone through the baby PK’s to my doc describing the harder stuff, and then maxing our on as many MG’s that he’d prescribe. And now the meds only take half the amount of pain away, and make me tired and lethargic, screwing up my mood and endorphins/ GABA to boot. Not to mention the damage I’m doing to other internal organs.
    So I learned the hard way that in the long run it wasn’t the answer, and I didn’t understand fully tolerance back then and how quickly you can mess that up. So it was back to searching for a more permanent solution, which right now is another med - non narcotic that seems to be helping tremendously every two weeks I get the shot.
    I’ve also would like to regulate my mood better, as I used to have endless amounts of energy, sleep very well at night, and not deal with really dark periods of depression from the pain and lack of energy.
    I also have high BP and high resting heart rate, and have had it most of my life. I could regulate the high BP in my 20’s & 30’s by eating better and maintaining a healthy weight. Now in my late 40’s that no longer works. I take Lisinopril now. It works well and I don’t seem to have any adverse effects from the med like some get, with the coughing etc.
    About a year ago I decided to change my portions and eat better consistently, and now weigh less than I did when I was 18, and have held this weight for nearly a year by changing those daily eating habits. Much to my surprise as I just previously stated, my BP didn’t lower this time. So for now I’m happy taking Lisinopril.
    This ear stim doesn’t sound horrible and I think the biggest hurdle I would have trying it would be the time needed doing it daily for the results I’d want.
    I recently took up your suggestion (I think it was your post) of trying some natural herbs to help out with the nerve and back pain while I’m on my trial of the biologic. Cordylis I think? It should be in today from Amazon.
    I’ve tried so many other natural remedies that I’ve become a bit jaded at said methods and non-controlled meds to help with the pain. It’s so much easier to just swallow some pain pills.
    But ultimately I’d rather do something more natural that helps add years to my life rather than subtracting years off. Good thread and I appreciate the detailed info. I don’t see it being the most popular thread on here because let’s face it, most are here to procure their DOC.
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    I got lazy and only used it about once a week then got tested. My numbers were something like 117/78 and 98 pulse which is within normal but pulse is too high and bp not as low as it was. So I used it last 3 days today my numbers are 99/65 and 75 pulse which I like a lot better

    Just more proof that it works. Its also supposed to do a lot of other good things, reduce anxiety, helps with a lot of physical symptoms too. For an investment of $30 or so you can do the same thing
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    I know this isn’t the cheapest way to accomplish this, but the Apple Watch, 4, or 5, actually takes an ECG (same as EKG) and gives you your resting heart beat. I think some of the mini blood pressure devices might give you the resting heart rate, but they are cheap, and don’t last that long. I have gotten a few from chain drug stores, like CVS, and Rite Aid. Anyway, I got the stupid watch, and I never wear it, but I do use it to get my heart rate. It stores all the data, and gives you a picture of your ECG. Not that I have a clue how to read it, but I do like seeing it, for some reason. My heart rate is very similar to yours. I was actually shocked to get an 86, and even a 92, because I thought I was always over 100. It also warns you if it senses arrhythmia. As far as I’m concerned, if it told me I had an erratic heart rhythm, I would probably have an anxiety attack, before I could do anything about it, but I thought it was worth mentioning.

    I have a tens machine, but I only used it for my back, and it didn’t help, so I have no idea what I did with it, but your report was interesting enough that I will probably get a new one with @pinkflower nipple clamps. I can actually watch in real time, with my stupid watch, and see if I can detect a lowering of my heart rate. As far as my blood pressure, I was always a tiny bit borderline high, so I take a med that I probably don’t even need, but my blood pressure is always low now, which bugs me, but keeps my doctor happy, so I guess better lower than higher!
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    Quote Originally Posted by M77 View Post
    @Gullible
    I know this isn’t the cheapest way to accomplish this, but the Apple Watch, 4, or 5, actually takes an ECG (same as EKG) and gives you your resting heart beat. I think some of the mini blood pressure devices might give you the resting heart rate, but they are cheap, and don’t last that long. I have gotten a few from chain drug stores, like CVS, and Rite Aid. Anyway, I got the stupid watch, and I never wear it, but I do use it to get my heart rate. It stores all the data, and gives you a picture of your ECG. Not that I have a clue how to read it, but I do like seeing it, for some reason. My heart rate is very similar to yours. I was actually shocked to get an 86, and even a 92, because I thought I was always over 100. It also warns you if it senses arrhythmia. As far as I’m concerned, if it told me I had an erratic heart rhythm, I would probably have an anxiety attack, before I could do anything about it, but I thought it was worth mentioning.

    I have a tens machine, but I only used it for my back, and it didn’t help, so I have no idea what I did with it, but your report was interesting enough that I will probably get a new one with @pinkflower nipple clamps. I can actually watch in real time, with my stupid watch, and see if I can detect a lowering of my heart rate. As far as my blood pressure, I was always a tiny bit borderline high, so I take a med that I probably don’t even need, but my blood pressure is always low now, which bugs me, but keeps my doctor happy, so I guess better lower than higher!
    Actually that’s pretty cool. Had a really good year business wise and can see myself getting the watch now, before I just didn’t think it worth the expense. And my wife being an RN, she would know how to interpret the data. I hate the high heart rate, not as much as having the high blood pressure though. I wish I had gotten on meds earlier, I’m concerned of the damage that may have happened to my heart & arteries.
    I also used to get lots of irregular beats, or arrhythmia, not so much now. Like where your heartbeat would skip a beat or two and then BAM, a really hard beat and then back to the regular fast heart rate. Would get super dizzy for a second and sometimes feel like I may pass out. When I’d get several a minute, like you mentioned in your post, it sometimes made me panicky and make it even worse.
    Lowering my caffeine intake has helped reduce that, and along with going on Lisinopril, it has helped lower my BP, heart rate and nearly eliminated the arrhythmia. I no longer hear/feel my heartbeat in my ears anymore either. Used to drive me nuts at night when I couldn’t get to sleep.
    Anyway thanks for the mention about the Apple Watch @M77 . I wish it would keep real time track of your BP as well, that would be even better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Rogue View Post
    Actually that’s pretty cool. Had a really good year business wise and can see myself getting the watch now, before I just didn’t think it worth the expense. And my wife being an RN, she would know how to interpret the data. I hate the high heart rate, not as much as having the high blood pressure though. I wish I had gotten on meds earlier, I’m concerned of the damage that may have happened to my heart & arteries.
    I also used to get lots of irregular beats, or arrhythmia, not so much now. Like where your heartbeat would skip a beat or two and then BAM, a really hard beat and then back to the regular fast heart rate. Would get super dizzy for a second and sometimes feel like I may pass out. When I’d get several a minute, like you mentioned in your post, it sometimes made me panicky and make it even worse.
    Lowering my caffeine intake has helped reduce that, and along with going on Lisinopril, it has helped lower my BP, heart rate and nearly eliminated the arrhythmia. I no longer hear/feel my heartbeat in my ears anymore either. Used to drive me nuts at night when I couldn’t get to sleep.
    Anyway thanks for the mention about the Apple Watch @M77 . I wish it would keep real time track of your BP as well, that would be even better.
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    I take Lisinopril too. I used to take Coureg, but my cheapskate insurance company made me switch. They are the same thing, except Lisinopril supposedly causes some people to have a tickle in their throat. I never had that, so all is good. I didn’t know it was supposed to help with heart rate too. I know exactly what you mean about feeling your own heart beat. It drives me nuts too, but fortunately, it hasn’t happened in a while. Good luck if you get the watch!
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    I prefer non drug solutions to problems myself. Herbs are often better and this is completely non drug so no side effects.
    @Doc Rogue, Corydalis extract is good for pain as I said in another thread. I use the super high extract about 200x its 98%. If its only 10x you have to take a spoonful to do the job but start small and work up. It also helps sleep.
    @M77, if you have a tens just get the ear clip electrodes, about $8 a set on amazon or ebay. After a couple days see what your numbers are. Your pulse will go down and bp also.

    I believe it also improves my mood somewhat. Not quite the same as a pill which we have been trained to prefer. Pill works fast, usually does the job. After a while the pills show side effects and you need a new pill to fix the old pill. Or they stop working and you need more.

    I'm hoping soon this thread will be filled with people's experience on it, and not just thinking about using it haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gullible View Post
    I prefer non drug solutions to problems myself. Herbs are often better and this is completely non drug so no side effects.
    @Doc Rogue, Corydalis extract is good for pain as I said in another thread. I use the super high extract about 200x its 98%. If its only 10x you have to take a spoonful to do the job but start small and work up. It also helps sleep.
    @M77, if you have a tens just get the ear clip electrodes, about $8 a set on amazon or ebay. After a couple days see what your numbers are. Your pulse will go down and bp also.
    @Gullible , apologies for high jacking the thread a bit, but my Corydalis extract came in yesterday and it is capsules, and at 10x (damn). I didn’t remember reading that you took 200x before. If you wouldn’t mind (and it’s allowed) Can you tell me where you order and what brand?
    I’m going to return the bottle I received, it wasn’t sealed and is missing 7 capsules.

    As for the ear electrodes & tens unit, I think you mentioned previously in the thread where to buy and which brand you have on the clips. I just need to make sure they’re compatible with the tens unit I order. And at some point in the near future I will be able to add my own experience, and hopefully with positive results. If I’m extra fortunate maybe it will help regulate my blood sugar too - just had my yearly exam that our health insurance plan requires and I’m just over where it needs to be, and really don’t want to see my rates increase. Though that may be asking too much LOL.
    Again apologies for taking this thread another direction temporarily.
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    Thanks! I have absolutely no idea what I did with the tens thing I previously purchased. It was a nightmare putting the reusable adhesive nodes on my back, in the right place. But, I was determined to keep using it, until I saw if it worked. I didn’t pay too much for it, and I will just get a new one. The usage you discovered is a lot more beneficial, and certainly worth trying. As I do, I’m sure everyone appreciates you posting about this. We are trained to just go to a pill. Sadly, so are doctors. The pharmacy companies actually research what color to use, for specific items, such as capsules, and tablets. We are all guinea pigs, but some meds obviously do work, the question always being are the side effects worth the benefits. I am all for anything that can help, without ingesting chemicals! Thank you very much for starting this thread!
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    @Doc Rogue, 10x is pretty weak but enough caps should do the job. I use the crystals which are no longer sold on ebay or amazon for some strange reason. They are 98% pure and do the job. Also have no taste. I've seen it elsewhere on the net, do a search for it or hydropalmatine the active ingredient. Hopefully I spelled it right.

    If not available then try the higher potency extract like 20x, 50x. The only downside is its a little strong tasting, not bad but strong so toss and wash if you get the powder. Powder is always cheaper. I almost ordered it from china, the crystals, but I figured customs would just grab it. I bought enough before ebay ran out to last me a good while.
    @M77, the tens units are almost always connected by a plug that goes into the tens and a 2mm pin at the ends which you put into the pads. But instead of that just put the pins into the ear clips. Both ebay and amazon have them. Just get whatever tens is cheapest, that seems to work. Its a dead simple device and I've seen them for $20

    A friend of mine who has ms tried it and she says her blood pressure has gone way down. It was so high she could feel it and can tell that its lower now without even measuring but I'm sure the doc keeps track. He probably thought she was cheating on him with another doctor, lol. Nope, no drugs just the ear thing.
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    Thanks! Going to find a new one now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gullible View Post
    @Doc Rogue, 10x is pretty weak but enough caps should do the job. I use the crystals which are no longer sold on ebay or amazon for some strange reason. They are 98% pure and do the job. Also have no taste. I've seen it elsewhere on the net, do a search for it or hydropalmatine the active ingredient. Hopefully I spelled it right.

    If not available then try the higher potency extract like 20x, 50x. The only downside is its a little strong tasting, not bad but strong so toss and wash if you get the powder. Powder is always cheaper. I almost ordered it from china, the crystals, but I figured customs would just grab it. I bought enough before ebay ran out to last me a good while.
    Yeah I’m still gonna look for something with a higher concentration along w/ the crystal form. The capsules @ 10x would mean taking 20 caps at a time once I work my way up to that dosage. Hopefully I can find something at least around 100x concentrate. Even 50x would be better than the 10x.
    I’m glad you mentioned you couldn’t find them on AMZN or eBay, I spent way too much time this afternoon looking there and not seeing anything. I was like “WTH am I missing?”
    Basically I saw that they have droppers as low as 3x, and capsules up to 10x from any source I thought had decent ratings or reviews. Guess I’ll have to broaden my search out a bit further.
    And not worried about the taste. I’ve toss & washed enough of the bulk Kratom I buy that I’ve gotten used to the foul, bitter flavor of the natural remedies. Regardless I appreciate the detailed info.

    And @M77, I’m really curious if & when you get the unit set up and going to compare notes, and whether or not you can literally see in real time the results of the vagus stim on your Apple watch.
    Keep us posted!
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    I only use about 1/16 tsp of crystals maybe less so I would not take 20 of those caps at once even if they are only 10x. Bulk supplements has it dirt cheap but its not very concentrated. Look on the net you will find it.

    I had a thread in the hypertension forum about this but the mods deleted it. Seemed like the best place for it but its not a drug and the forum says "drugs". So we have rules which must be obeyed if they make sense or not. Whatever. But few will see it here and many with hypertension will go to that forum instead.

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