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    Default New tec for depression, high blood pressure, stress, epilepsy etc

    I have found something new that works for all those things and more. It seems to work on treatment resistant depression, as well as epilepsy and heart problems among other things. It helps overall health and some say it slows or reverses aging. It requires no trips to the doctor, no drugs and is dirt cheap. Sounds too good to be true? Read on.

    Our autonomic nervous system regulates all organs and has a huge effect on our health and mood. The sympathetic system is the part that gets us revved up when danger appears. It makes the heart beat faster, adrenaline and other stress hormones are released. After the danger is over the parasympathetic system is supposed to bring us back to baseline but in todays highly stressful society the sympathetic system seems to dominate particularly as we age. This leads to constant stress and many problems

    The vagus nerve is what stimulates and regulates the parasympathetic system which is usually not working right. In the past doctors have implanted electrodes attached to a pacemaker like device but surgery is expensive and risky. A new tec involving a low electrical current applied to the ear has shown to do the same things at a fraction the cost and no invasive surgery needed. A simple tens unit and ear electrodes are all you need.

    I have tested this myself and it definitely works or I would not suggest people waste money on an unproven or fanciful method. I already had a tens unit which cost about $25, ordered the ear electrodes for $4, both prices with shipping included from ebay. I have been using it for about 2 weeks now and while results are preliminary, I do have some solid results.

    I tried it first on the right ear which is the side most connected to the heart. I have high pulse rate, tachycardia of about 105 to 110 at rest. This is not good. I also have (had) high blood pressure, actually within normal range but high normal which is far from optimal. After 4 days on the right ear I went in and got a test which showed blood pressure of 89/57. This about knocked me over since I did not expect much. My pulse went down to 90 which is normal and next test showed 86 which is great.

    So then I tried it on the left ear and hoped it would fix my insomnia and make me really calm all day. It did not actually do that after a week, I might be sleeping a little better but hard to say. What I did notice is my mood is great and I have more energy and motivation. I'm getting stuff done I always used to put off. If I'm sitting around I think what could I do with this time. Not like me at all, lol. However when I tested it today my pulse was back up to 97 and blood pressure was 105 over 77, not bad but not great like it was.

    I plan to go back to the right ear, possibly alternate to the left every other day because I need the good reading on bp and pulse. I know from reading articles that low normal is way better for you than high normal or even middle normal. The improvement in mood and more motivation is good too so I think I can have both.

    Do a search on vagus ear stimulation and you will see loads of research as well as people's reports. It seems to take a month for the anti-depression effects to kick in though I noticed it after a week. There is a certain way to hook the electrodes, just use enough juice so you feel a tickling or tapping sensation but not so high it is uncomfortable

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    I went to 15 minutes on each ear instead of 30 on one ear. But after a couple days the mood elevation and energy seemed to fade so the last couple days I went with 15 on the right and 30 on the left. My mood seems back up. I checked the numbers today and pulse was down to 91 which is good, bp was 113 over 77 which is normal range but not as good as it was.

    I'm thinking I need 30 minutes on each side to get the max benefit. But, when I did 30 on the right ear for 4 days my bp was borderline low. Now its ok but should be down a little more. I think I will go to 20 on right and 30 on left each day.

    Isn't it cool that we can dial our bp and mood up or down with new technology? Doctors via many studies have found an inverse relationship between blood pressure and stroke, heart disease and arterial disease. The lower the better but too low brings problems too. I want to adjust it so my bp is near borderline low but still in normal range.

    A link to more info https://drarielleschwartz.com/natura.../#.XVrOQXt7kcg

    A quote from that link

    "The vagus nerve is taking center stage as a potential “off switch” for inflammation related diseases such as epilepsy, rheumatoid arthritis, and inflammatory bowel syndrome. Regulation of the vagus nerve also plays a significant role in mental health care allowing you to effectively respond to the emotional and physiological symptoms of depression, anxiety, and PTSD."

    another link https://www.elsevier.com/about/press...eat-depression

    A quote from the link about patients with major depression. VNS = vagus nerve stimulation

    "Patients with major depressive disorder who volunteered for the study received either transcutaneous VNS or sham (placebo) VNS and underwent a functional neuroimaging scan both before and after one month of treatment.

    Compared to patients who received sham VNS, the patients who received real VNS showed significant improvement of their depressive symptoms."
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    I went with 30 minutes on the left ear for mood elevation and 20 minutes on the right ear each day for bp improvement and pulse lowering. Today I tested again and bp was 103/71 which is very good and pulse 98 not bad but not great. I now plan to do 30 minutes on each ear per day testing every so often to see what my stats are.

    I realize most people are programmed to think 'fix some ill = drugs' or perhaps surgery. Lifestyle changes like eating a better diet, getting some exercise, etc = too much work, would rather pop a pill. However this combines the best of both approaches, no drugs or surgery and no need for a lot of will power or eating things you don't like.

    I still think eating right and taking the right vitamins and supplements along with exercise is the best thing and I try to do all those things best as I can. But I will admit the instant fix is extremely tempting since doing all that other takes a long time to show results and doesn't always do what you hoped it would do.

    So here is an (almost) instant fix for some of the most common complaints heard on this site namely depression, anxiety and ticker problems. But it will take a long time for those of us who are conditioned to think drugs are the only way to go to accept something new and revolutionary. Ultrasound works wonders for arthritic pain but how many people use that rather than pop a pill?

    I will keep experimenting with the ear thing and reporting my results in hopes some brave soul will invest the $25 or so it takes to get set up and try it. Maybe a few have already ordered and are waiting on shipment or waiting to see what it does? I ordered an additional set of ear electrodes so I can do both ears at the same time saving 30 minutes a day. You can clip the tens unit to your pocket and do things while its working. It shuts off by itself and does not hurt.
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    Very interesting, thanks for sharing!
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    My latest test results and a summary of my experience with the ear electric treatment

    I found very limited benefit using 15 minutes each ear, went to 30 left and 15 right, mood picked up but bp and pulse did not improve. The last 4 days have been 30 minutes each side each day. Today my bp is 99/59 considered borderline low because diastolic is below 60 but definitely not a problem. My pulse is down to 84 which is great, for years I've had tachycardia with a pulse of 103 to 112 at rest. That is not a major problem but is not considered good at all.

    My mood is good, I don't feel high or euphoric but neither am I experiencing any downs, I just feel very well all the time. This is noticeable since I did the ear treatments. BP and pulse went down with 30 minutes a day on right, went up some with 15 minutes though still within normal and went back down when I returned to 30 minutes per day on right. I would say that precludes any coincidence since I have not seen numbers like that before, not in decades at least.

    Today my second set of ear electrodes is arriving and I will be able to do both sides at once. I don't if my brain is working better but yesterday I played some poker at local casino and won nearly $700. I felt like I was playing well, for what its worth. Mood is great, as good as it gets without feeling outright euphoric though some good news or stimulating food can push me in that direction.

    Studies have show an inverse relationship between bp and stroke, dementia, and cardiovascular problems. The lower the better down to a point. So called normal levels of 120 over 80 may not lead rapidly to disease so it is called ok but is far from optimal. Athletes typically have numbers even lower than my recent tests, but then I'm no athlete, lol. This may be the holy grail of getting exercise benefits without have to actually, you know, exercise. I'm not knocking exercise, its is very good and in more ways than just your cardio stats.
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    Blimey, this is fascinating stuff @Gullible! I made a post on here the night before last (NZ time I'm talking about, lol) but the bit that I wrote about my depression sounded so yuckily self-pitying that I was embarrassed by it and deleted it the next day. So if you saw that, no offence meant. That was the only reason I deleted it. I guess also to be totally honest, I am scared of getting my hopes up about getting out of this dark place I'm in.

    Sun's shining (well, sort of bleak winter sun) so I had better go and do some work, but I can see I've got some "research" to do on our site here that's like ebay - where they have the Tens machines at excellent prices. I find it very confusing looking at them but I'll study them in more detail when I have time.

    The spellcheck thingy tells me that "yuckily" isn't a word. Well, it can yuck off!
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    Well, I've found loads of Tens machines listed on the site and they're really cheap. The ear electrodes are proving more elusive. They all seem to come with massage pads (or you can buy these separately) but I couldn't find any mention of ear electrodes. I wasn't sure exactly what I was looking for to be honest. I eventually decided to just put in the search term "electrodes" and got sidetracked by this:

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    One for the ladies - a pelvic floor exercise attachment for the Tens Machine. @Mecha - at your age you might want to put that on your Christmas present wish list.

    I finally found a listing for ear clips for the Tens machine. It's an old listing so it has closed but I could probably contact the seller about getting some if they are the right things. Here they are:

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    The listing says: "Electrode Lead Wires Jack DC 2.5mm Replacement Cables For Tens Breast & Ear clip" Huh? I can imagine it as an ear clip but as a breast clip? All I can think of is "OUCH!". Disregarding the breast clip part because I'm not into BDSM - although perhaps another one for your Christmas wish list @Mecha - is that what I would need for my ears @Gullible?

    I do recall reading once about this sort of thing for depression but I think that was the Alpha-Stim device which has to be prescribed by a doctor and, more importantly, costs hundreds of dollars.
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    Go to ebay or amazon and search "ear electrodes" and you will find them.

    "I do recall reading once about this sort of thing for depression but I think that was the Alpha-Stim device which has to be prescribed by a doctor and, more importantly, costs hundreds of dollars. "

    Oh yeah, any time the medical profession gets their hands on something the cost shoots up astronomically. Hundreds of dollars vs $25 plus the doctor visit of course. I believe its good for depression probably better than those ssri's and other drugs they push on you that often don't work or have nasty sides.

    BTW, I use the negative electrode on ear lobe and positive on ear flap. I saw it that way in a photo and it seems to work. Be careful about the plug on the end, make sure it will fit the tens unit. The one in your photo will not work with mine. I use the ear electrodes that you plug a little prong into. The tens comes with the plug and wires which end in those prongs, you can then put them into the clips or the pads which come with the tens but only the clips work for what we are doing. I paid $4 per set and used both last night

    They say dabbing a little water or salt water on your ear before using the clip helps conduction. The clips have a tendency to fall off, I fixed that by looping the wire around the ear once then connecting that way the whole weight of the wire is not pulling on the clips. But check now and then to make sure they haven't worked loose.

    I set my tens at 100 micro seconds and 30 hz but when I had it at 50 and 20 it seemed to work as well. I turn it up until I can feel it plainly then turn it down a tiny bit. You may have to adjust it again if it feels too strong. In one study they gave some test subjects real treatment and some got sham. That tells me it must have been set very low or they could have felt which was real and which wasn't
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    I'm trying to find them here in NZ @Gullible. I could send overseas if necessary but it would be cheaper and a lot quicker (ie overnight delivery) to find some here. The ones in the photo above are only $NZ4.50 a pair so very cheap. But I would have to see if the seller can supply them again (because the listing is closed) plus make sure I had a tens unit that the plug would fit - thanks for the tip about that.

    I'm very sceptical that it will help my depression but I don't think that's a bad thing. I used to be so, er, gullible, lol, about everything and now I'm kind of the opposite - very cynical! I very much believe that if I can get back to running it will help me immensely, but I am so low at the moment (combined with a lot of stress) that I can't find the motivation. I just get through the day and that's it. It's such a vicious circle. Of course, that sounds like just an excuse but I have made myself put my running shoes on and get out the door in the past and got into a routine of going whether I felt like it or not. But I can't seem to do that at the moment. Maybe I just need a kick up the a*se! The stupid thing is I absolutely love running! Nuts! Yes, I am!

    So if this doesn't cost me much, well then I might as well give it a go.

    Here's an interesting article I found about some research done at the University of Leeds looking at its use for heart health:

    https://www.leeds.ac.uk/news/article...for_your_heart
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    It is good for health in general and I know for a fact it improves your stats because I've seen my numbers. Here is a link to a study on depression. https://www.health.com/anxiety/crani...py-stimulation

    here is a quote from it
    "I haven’t had a patient who’s used it and didn’t have results," says Howard. Ralph Harvey, MD

    However the above is the alpha stim device similar but perhaps not exactly the same. Here is another quote and link

    https://www.elixa.com/cranial-electr...imulation-ces/

    "CES has repeatedly shown efficacy in treating mild to moderate primary or secondary anxiety and depressive conditions, normalization of central hemodynamics (systolic and diastolic blood pressure"

    They say it also relieves pain, and helps with insomnia. I'm hoping for some of the latter which is about the only part I haven't really noticed. Perhaps with more use it will come to be. My experience using it on the left ear really helps my mood. I can feel the difference right away and it seems to zap any anxiety. YMMV
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    I might have to send overseas for the ear clips, but I can get a machine easily here. I'm very confused by the large variety and price range though!

    They start at approx $NZ8 (~$US5) and go way up from there. Of course, I'm quite happy to pay more than $8 but I have no idea how high to go and how "fancy" a machine I need and upon what to make a decision!

    https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Sea...0ed115255-009&

    I was thinking maybe this one for $NZ25 (incl shipping): https://www.trademe.co.nz/health-bea...bccff9ea0f-010

    Do you think that would be adequate @Gullible? Your opinion would be most welcome. Sorry to be a pain!

    Then there's this one for approx an extra $NZ15 (incl postage) which isn't a lot more but it look a lot more high tech. I don't know if that means it's better though.

    https://www.trademe.co.nz/health-bea...ebdc0e5632-010
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    @pinkflower, I would not get the first one you mentioned. It has only a limited range of adjustment. For example it has 15 intensity settings, what you want is one you can adjust with a dial to many settings. This is because from my experience with it, I start to feel a tingle at a certain setting then after a few minutes it feels too strong so I turn it down a tiny tiny bit until its comfortable again. Today I turned it down again several times for each ear.

    Also it only gives a choice of 5, 10 or 15 minutes. You might be fine with 15, I found 30 works a lot better but of course you could turn it on again. The other thing is it only has one outlet and one set of cables. The more expensive one has 2 outputs so you could do both ears at the same time. The only thing I'm doubtful about the second is they don't tell you how long the cables are nor do they show you the plugs not being plugged into the pads so you can see if it will fit the ear clips. Ask them if they end in 2 mm prongs which is standard but maybe not down under. Look on amazon or ebay to see if they offer the ear clips in your area. I paid $4 a set including shipping.

    I noticed in that article you linked that they say don't use it within 3 hours of bed which is exactly what I was doing. Maybe that is why it didn't seem to help with insomnia. I'm switching over to mornings now.
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    Fantastic! Thanks @Gullible! Now I have a much better idea of what to look for. I thought that 15 intensity settings sounded like a lot! I see what you mean now though about adjusting it with a dial. I was bamboozled by so many choices when I first looked at them. Now I will be able to narrow down my search a bit. I can see I'm going to have to go up in price a bit. But then we are talking about NZ dollars, lol.

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    As I couldn't find the ear clips here and I asked one vendor about the prongs on the Tens machine and he said he didn't know, plus I am so confused about which machine to get, I decided to look for one that came with the ear clips. I found one on ebay UK, although it gets sent from China. It's ~$NZ60 including shipping and the ear clips are included, so I know for certain that they will fit.

    It's this one: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/16-Modes-...-/222616818963

    When you have time, I'd really appreciate your opinion on it @Gullible. You have to scroll way down to see the detailed description of it.

    I'm off to bed. I'm exhausted and my poor befuddled brain is exhausted after spending so long trying to figure this out.

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    @Gullible - Sorry, me here again with another annoying question. I wish someone else would try this out as well and post on here and ask Gullible loads of pain-in-the-a*se questions so I'm not the only one!

    How many clips do you put on each ear at once? I'm inferring from your posts that you use two on each ear but the few photos I have found in articles about this only show one clip on each ear. Then again, my reading comprehension isn't the best. Because of my anxiety and depression, my brain is so foggy that I get to the end of the page and have to go back to the start again to try and get it to sink in. It's very distressing because losing yourself in a good book is one of life's great pleasures. I can read dry non-fiction ok-ish, if I want to research something, but I can't read fiction at all. Well, I can read it, but having to keep going back and read the same page over and over again takes the flow and enjoyment out of it. I used to love becoming immersed in a good book and feeling as if I had entered that world.

    To demonstrate my poor reading comprehension - I read this sentence of yours: "stimulating food can push me in that direction" and my mind went directly from "stimulating" to "erection", lol. THEN I went back and read it PROPERLY!!!

    Anyway, where was I.....oh yeah, how many clips do you put on each ear please? I noticed on the photos of the one I linked to on ebay UK (sent from China) that one cord seemed to end in two clips. That's what it looked like to me anyway.

    I'm hoping you will give that the Gullible seal of approval (although please say if you think it's not suitable) because I became so frustrated and despondent after searching for hours on the local site last night that I almost gave up on it.
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    That one is not too expensive, about ~$42 usd which is more than I paid but it looks a little fancier. It has 20 levels of intensity, not as good and being able to dial it but just set it low until you feel it and if it gets too strong go down one, that should work. 2 channels and 2 sets of clips, thats good. The bad thing I see is they say "20 to 90 days shipping" from china which seems a little long to wait.

    They tout it for anxiety, insomnia and "neurasthenia" which is a very old term haven't seen it used in ages lol. They don't even mention it lowering bp and pulse or helping with depression which it certainly does though they mention blood circulation and relieving sore muscles. Probably have to use the pads to relieve muscles but on the ears it helps with pain.

    I switched to morning sessions so we will see if it helps with insomnia or not. So far not but today is the first day for morning. If it does that I will be even more thrilled with it, practically ecstatic, though just lowering pulse and bp is worth the price 100x over imo when you consider the long term benefits of not having hypertension or tachycardia and not having to take drugs for it. It is also supposed to reduce inflammation which is a major cause of aging and some diseases. It is supposed to boost your brain function. I seem to be thinking well, still get groggy now and then but when I play a digital game I seem to do better now.

    I've seen units touted by a doctor costing hundreds of dollars. Naturally he says don't use an ordinary tens unit or you might be electrocuted or something, lol. The huge profit he is making has nothing to do with it at all, of course. I will say its worth it but why pay a bunch extra? All the units I've seen advertised use a battery so electrocution seems a little ... unlikely, shall we say.

    With my dial adjusted tens I set it to between 2 and 2.5 out of 8 then usually turn it down tiny bit by tiny bit. I like to still feel something but apparently that is not really neccessary.
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    Thanks @Gullible. The shipping for here looks a bit quicker than to the US. That's why I was wanting to buy a machine here because of overnight shipping but it looks as if I would still have to send overseas for the clips, so I would still have a wait, plus trying to ascertain if the cords would fit the machines was driving me crazy! I thought the 20 intensity settings might be a negative aspect of it in your view. I'm happy about that price given it includes everything. It was about the limit I was prepared to go up to, so I'm quite pleased about that.

    Ah well, sun's trying to shine so I'd better go and do some work. I have yet to google "neurasthenia". I intend to later though! lol

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    I checked my stats again today its been a week since the last time and everything looked good. Blood pressure and pulse were 103/66 and 89, neither too low or too high. That is pretty near to an ideal bp and the pulse is about 20 beats per minute lower than my pre-treatment average. I had tachycardia but no more it seems. Long as I stay with the program.

    In recent days I've been adding sounds to my ear treatments. I read about this for tinnitus, they gave vagus nerve stimulation via the ear and at the same time exposed the patients to a sound either pitched just above or just below what the patient's tinnitus sounded like. So after I think its been 3 treatments right now at this moment the sound seems a little lower but that could just be the natural fluctuation. I didn't notice anything after the first time but they say it takes a while

    My mood is good every day now, thanks I think to the left ear treatment. I do get bored now and then but that is normal and it does not seem to lead to anxiety or a low mood. I can't expect to feel super happy all the time, if it worked that well they would ban it, lol.

    Since my bp and pulse are not getting lower each time, which would potentially be bad if it got too low, I see no reason not to use it every day. My mood was not as good and bp etc were not as good either when I cut back to 15 minutes on each side so I guess you can backslide if you quit. That is the only catch, you are hooked for life if you want to keep the same good results. I will go along with 30 minutes a day since I can do other things at the same time.

    I also want to keep exploring the method to treat tinnitus. I am able to ignore the noise so its not that much of a bother but I would prefer to be without it. The studies I read indicated most got benefit but it didn't go away 100%. I've been using 1100 hz last couple days because my sounds seemed more high pitched than the 1kz tone I was using. I used my old headset, I just ordered a new set, more expensive and supposed to be nicer. Hey you only live once they say

    Has anyone else ordered the tens unit and/or the clips if you already have one? Pinkflower seems to have been naughty and has left us. Best of luck to you pf. I would like to hear from others what their experience has been. I know very well by now that people hate to try anything new but this has been tested by doctors who say it works. Give it a shot
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    I quit using it for a week to see if the effects remained and today my numbers were 95/66 and 84 pulse ball of which are quite excellent. This shows its not temporary, I think I will start using it again but just on left ear for the mood boost, I will also use the sounds to see if it reduces tinnitus.

    I know there are hundreds if not thousands of pr members with high blood pressure. No one will gamble $25 or so to see if it helps? Or are trying it perhaps and have not commented yet maybe

    I should make a list of all the conditions they say it helps, here are a few I remember off hand

    hypertension
    tachycardia
    irregular heart beat
    depression
    epilepsy
    multiple sclerosis
    fibromyalgia
    alzheimers
    pain
    tinnitus
    insomnia
    stress

    It may not cure all those but will help with symptoms. I can vouch for the fact it fixes the top two for sure. I got a mood boost so I believe it will help with depression as well. Everyone is different so it might help with your condition or maybe not. It may fix one thing and not another or maybe help everything.

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