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    someone was telling me that these pills are starting to get faked? ( these are not scheduled in the UK, so I hope I'm not breaking any laws in discussing them here)

    snd ive noticed that some pharmacys sell LYRICA at a more expensive price then PREGABLIN, now since according to EU regs drugs practically have to be indenditical

    why are people willing to pay so much EXTRA for Pfizer Lyrica/pregab, than say activis/BLP/TEVA Pregablin.

    When it comes to this drug, dies it make a difference, if so WHY?

    Also since the Pfizer has lost its patent. Pfizer is asking chemist to report GP's who prescribe the cheaper version of this drug. Gps get around this by using the off label loop hole, They can get around prescribing guidelines buy saying nonsense like i.e patient was so anxious about his next bout of fibro related pain onsent we gave him Teva pregab thus he was not soley prescribed a non Pfizer based upon fibro pain we considered general anxiety.. etc. You would not believe the type of pen pushing nonsense family docs have to do, also they get paid EXTRA for telling people that are overwight that they are overweight as long as they take patient weight and record it. Thus if the patient waddles out wheezing with the NEW knowledge that weighing 250 pounds may have a negative effect on their health it is worth paying doctors to tell them this as they clearly don't listen/beleive Vegatable are good, processed fat are bad health service announcement about the dangers of being overweight that we in the UKare BOMBARDED with all the time. Without doing the latter, ( recording patient is 20 stone etc) they wont get paid for stating the bleeding obvious.

    They ought to back to bribing it was far more efficient and those of us with pharma ISA's would be better off.

    Why can Pfizer out these legal holes in place ( they do it because of money), but according to pharmacologist and EU regs on medicine pfizer Lyrica should not be BETTER than another companies pregablin as only the fillers etc can differ.

    I'm confused? anybody know the answer to this?

    Also, has anyone else heard that FAKE pregab and Lyrica are on the streets/vendors and so forth,

    This drug is also LEGAL in the UK, I'm sure I read on this forum people saying that it is not. I don't know about the US, but I'm pretty sure is not a widely abused drugs to the extent that its illegal.
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    Not heard about Lyrica and Pregablin being copied...I was given both to try for anxiety and they didn't work for me...I can't see a reason for them being abused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mancman View Post
    Not heard about Lyrica and Pregablin being copied...I was given both to try for anxiety and they didn't work for me...I can't see a reason for them being abused.
    The only thing I know for certain about Lyrica is that in a matter of 7mos - it completely changed me as a person, and not in a good way. It helped with my anxiety (which if I'm correct,is FDA approved for anxiety someplaces in EU) it's off-label here in the US and is mainly prescribed for nerve pain.

    Anyway, I had every negative side effect on the dam list. The worst being edema, loss of coordination and brain/memory function - in other words, it made me stupid. I gained about 30 lbs in the 7 mos I was on it and that really sucked the most. I have never had a weight problem in my life, in fact - I'm an athlete and have ran many Half marathons and a few 26.2. Milers. I eat healthy everyday and there was just no explanation for this drastic weight gain. It was super depressing for me, as a female. And no matter how I tried to alter
    My nutrition and exercise - the Lyrica won.

    I finally said enough was enough - the side effects outweighed the benefits. So I tapered some and then just cut it out - probably much sooner than I should have and the withdrawal was the worst thing I've experienced, no exaggeration and it went on and on. Each day felt like a month and it felt as though there was no end in sight. I took my final dose on 2/8 and I am just now starting to feel like myself with the exception of energy levels. I won't go into detail about it all but I read somewhere that the withdrawal is sort of a mix of opiate and benzo withdrawal and I tend to agree.

    If anyone out there is taking Lyrica/ thinking about taking it or trying to get off of it - I have a decent amount of knowledge and tips to help get through it - please, please let me know, I would be happy to assist in any way I can.

    Sorry, I know this doesn't answer your question directly but I went through hell and would love to help at least one person out there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wendyanne View Post
    The only thing I know for certain about Lyrica is that in a matter of 7mos - it completely changed me as a person, and not in a good way. It helped with my anxiety (which if I'm correct,is FDA approved for anxiety someplaces in EU) it's off-label here in the US and is mainly prescribed for nerve pain.

    Anyway, I had every negative side effect on the dam list. The worst being edema, loss of coordination and brain/memory function - in other words, it made me stupid. I gained about 30 lbs in the 7 mos I was on it and that really sucked the most. I have never had a weight problem in my life, in fact - I'm an athlete and have ran many Half marathons and a few 26.2. Milers. I eat healthy everyday and there was just no explanation for this drastic weight gain. It was super depressing for me, as a female. And no matter how I tried to alter
    My nutrition and exercise - the Lyrica won.

    I finally said enough was enough - the side effects outweighed the benefits. So I tapered some and then just cut it out - probably much sooner than I should have and the withdrawal was the worst thing I've experienced, no exaggeration and it went on and on. Each day felt like a month and it felt as though there was no end in sight. I took my final dose on 2/8 and I am just now starting to feel like myself with the exception of energy levels. I won't go into detail about it all but I read somewhere that the withdrawal is sort of a mix of opiate and benzo withdrawal and I tend to agree.

    If anyone out there is taking Lyrica/ thinking about taking it or trying to get off of it - I have a decent amount of knowledge and tips to help get through it - please, please let me know, I would be happy to assist in any way I can.

    Sorry, I know this doesn't answer your question directly but I went through hell and would love to help at least one person out there

    If this post in in the wrong place, please move. Thank you!
    Do you feel any withdrawal symptoms coming off it? I was originally prescribed it for anxiety and took it alongside benzos, however I had a pretty severe fall resulting in very bad nerve issues. Eventually I want to come off it but I don't want it to be so hard to come off when that time comes around. You see this seems to be another drug that is addictive I have been told.
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  6. I can say from my experience that Lyrica is addictive and you get withdrawals. I was on 300mg per day; when this stopped working I was put up to 600mg. But I wasn't getting the buzz so I was eventually doing 1000mg. I decided like @CountryKing to withdraw. Stopped cold turkey Felt fine for a couple of days, then like the worst flu I ever had. Taking some Lyrica immediately resolved this. So I determined to taper - seems you can do this quite fast with Lyrica if you haven't been on it too long, so I was cutting 100mg every few days and was stable on 600mg. However, getting lower than 600mg is provind difficult.

    I don't know if they are still doing this but in UK they were trying to get perople off benzos and onto Lyrica as it was 'not habit forming'. Ha ha. Shows how little Doctors really know about the drugs they are prescribing and ruining peoples' lives in the process. Lycrica is evil. I wouldn't advise anybody to go on it.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by canary View Post
    I can say from my experience that Lyrica is addictive and you get withdrawals. I was on 300mg per day; when this stopped working I was put up to 600mg. But I wasn't getting the buzz so I was eventually doing 1000mg. I decided like @CountryKing to withdraw. Stopped cold turkey Felt fine for a couple of days, then like the worst flu I ever had. Taking some Lyrica immediately resolved this. So I determined to taper - seems you can do this quite fast with Lyrica if you haven't been on it too long, so I was cutting 100mg every few days and was stable on 600mg. However, getting lower than 600mg is provind difficult.

    I don't know if they are still doing this but in UK they were trying to get perople off benzos and onto Lyrica as it was 'not habit forming'. Ha ha. Shows how little Doctors really know about the drugs they are prescribing and ruining peoples' lives in the process. Lycrica is evil. I wouldn't advise anybody to go on it.
    @canary how are you getting along with coming off this drug? Just posted about it in the UK forum funnily enough as it's a horrible drug to come off especially if you have been on it for any length of time. As you I was prescribed 600mg as tolerance grew quickly and I initially tried to stop cold turkey as doctor said it would be fine to do this! Welcome to hell.. I somehow managed to last 6 weeks naively thinking the withdrawals would eventually pass but if anything they got worse for me and eventually restated just to get some respite from the withdrawals. I felt defeated at that point but did manage to get off by micro tapering as it's water soluble and this eased the withdrawal but it was still a tough process over a year and even a year on I still feel a bit shell shocked from the whole experience. Truly awful drug and it's beyond me how they can prescribe this with such a poor understanding of the long term effects and withdrawal issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mancman View Post
    Not heard about Lyrica and Pregablin being copied...I was given both to try for anxiety and they didn't work for me...I can't see a reason for them being abused.
    Lyrica/pregbalin is one and the same not 2 different meds,i have tried it a couple of times,it helped with the nerve damage pain which is like arthritis,i can def say i can see the potential for rec abuse with this med,it felt quite nice for a few hours,not sure what strength you tried @mancman ? We are all different as well, sometimes what one person feels will be totally different to what another may feel,sure glad i don't take this everyday after reading about the withdrawals from it,good luck if trying to get off it anyone.
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    @tommygun - can't exactly remember what dosage...it was increased after awhile...given to me off label for anxiety/depression which didn't do anything for at all, actually I didn't feel anything after a few days only immediately started having bad constipation which stopped as soon as I stopped taking the med...the reviews as an anti-anxiety drug gave me some hope for this med giving me some relief but it didn't do anything for me in that respect....The withdrawals didn't seems too bad after SSRI's, SNRI's and Nardil (Phenelzine.)
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    I had the same with being bunged up after taking one 300mg cap,i hate being bunged up,prob why i havent tried to get them from anywhere,no way my dr would prescribe them,they did make my anxiety go down a bit,not like a benzo does anyway,am down to 12.5mg of the diaz,be coming down to 10mg in next week or so,light is starting to appear at long last.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpareRib View Post
    @canary how are you getting along with coming off this drug? Just posted about it in the UK forum funnily enough as it's a horrible drug to come off especially if you have been on it for any length of time. As you I was prescribed 600mg as tolerance grew quickly and I initially tried to stop cold turkey as doctor said it would be fine to do this! Welcome to hell.. I somehow managed to last 6 weeks naively thinking the withdrawals would eventually pass but if anything they got worse for me and eventually restated just to get some respite from the withdrawals. I felt defeated at that point but did manage to get off by micro tapering as it's water soluble and this eased the withdrawal but it was still a tough process over a year and even a year on I still feel a bit shell shocked from the whole experience. Truly awful drug and it's beyond me how they can prescribe this with such a poor understanding of the long term effects and withdrawal issues.
    Sounds damn horrendous,i think i may well stay clear of ordering it in future,will have to be last resort if i do,you know it is something not to be messed with after still not recovered a whole year after,a very long time i bet that was for you @SpareRib ? Sounds about the amount of time it takes to recover from possibly lengthy time on benzos,don't know which of the benzo family is worst for WDs?Benzos or methadone maybe,another one that sounds like i am getting to old to deal with the WDs from,can't even deal with hangovers these days so gave up,I'd be messed up trying to come off those meds.
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  12. Hi @tommygun, yes it was a terrible experience but I think my doctor made a few mistakes that did not help. To begin with they started me off on a very high dose (300mg then up to 600mg within a month) when really this drug should be started on lower doses and increased gradually if necessary. It did actually help for pain relief to begin with so I was quite happy as I'd had back surgery and the pain was very harsh with zero relief from paracetamol or ibuprofen etc. Sadly the painkilling effects just gradually reduced until it felt pointless taking it and that is where the second mistake was made as the doctor said I could reduced the dose over a week. I followed his advice and although I felt some withdrawal it was only after stopping altogether that the problems began. There is no doubt this drug messes with your brain chemistry as I suffered all sorts of psychological problems over the next six weeks until in desperation I took it again and then started the slow taper. I have gone cold turkey off be benzos before and yes it's tough but it reaches a peak and then gradually you see improvement but Lyrica withdrawal was like being dumped in hell and left there! I might have been unlucky as it does not effect everyone like this but it certainly can have a tough withdrawal profile and like any medication it needs to be treated with caution. I have heard of people taking it recreationally and going cold turkey off 3000mg daily habits, I can only image with these people went or are going through. Like benzos after several weeks use I then think it alters your brain chemistry and then you have potential problems getting off it.
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