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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz View Post
    Damn, 1 pill, ONE pill. Why didn't he just eat it?
    Thinking about that too, only thing I can figure is that before they pulled over he just never figured he'd be searched (as the passenger) or that it would be an issue. By the time the attention turned to him he probably didn't have a chance to quickly gulp it without notice. Because they didn't get the driver, just him, probably on his person, likely in a pocket. Hell, maybe even forgot it was even there, I've had that happen a few times.

    I've mentioned this in the past here, but for checkpoints and travel, since I mix my trams with headache powder usually anyways, I'll mix the capsule form into the ones that come in the individual paper wrappers in the packets. They aren't sealed, just folded up in the wrappers, so I can mix and replace without them looking like they've been messed with. Scroll through the GIS results for Goody's Headache Powder or BC Headache Powder and you'll soon see what I mean, for those not familiar - it actually sort of blows my mind the FDA allows that packaging. Now, I'm not sure this mixing is entirely safe so not officially recommending it, but the combo of meds has always worked well for me. And, still could get caught if they get suspicious, some lady got busted for plain headache powder once since the cop didn't know what it was, but in the original packaging, once again, improving the odds. They would have to actually test it to determine what was mixed in (and I might only mix a couple), and get suspicious about it first.
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    It bears repeating that you do not have to consent to a search of your car or person. If they think they have cause they will not ask, they will tell you to get out and they are going to search. Asking means they have nothing but would like to mess with you in hopes of finding something, anything. Neither are they supposed to search you without cause. They do have wiggle room in that they can pat you down for weapons if they "suspect" you might have them. But not make you turn out your pockets.

    Never ever consent to any search, your car, person, house, purse, nothing. If they come to the door and want to come in, say no. If they ask if they can look around your property say no. Never argue with them about why, just say no and if its your home just close the door on them. If you are pulled over driving, ask them if you are free to leave.

    Never cave in to threats "we will bring the drug dog and tear your car apart, tow it and it will cost you thousands to get it back" Just keep saying no. Eventually they realize they will get no easy arrest out of you and tell you to beat it. Never admit to anything even something that may have happened decades ago. "you ever smoke pot or pop pills?" No sir, am I free to go?
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    A few simple words can go along way.
    I don't consent to searches.
    Lawyer.
    If they ask for my drivers license and registration I had it over and say nothing else. Let them bring a dog and try to scare you. Stay calm and remember that dogs can't smell pills. If they managed to say the dog signaled then say nothing else except "lawyer".
    If the court asks how the search was initiated. The LEO says the dog signaled for (substance that dogs could find) and that substance was not present or found in the vehicle but controlled medicine was found. The judge will toss the charges for illegal search and seizure.
    Check your states laws if your in the US for more information.
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  5. I'd be afraid to carry narcotic scripts ina bottled labeled as such. People will rob, mug, harm, even murder over them. The law bs. The spirit of the law is insane.
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  6. Never consent to a search, no matter how much you are pressured. Do you experience a lot of traffic checkpoints? Especially during certain times of the year?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joantesch View Post
    Never consent to a search, no matter how much you are pressured. Do you experience a lot of traffic checkpoints? Especially during certain times of the year?
    One of the counties bordering mine is insane about them, doesn't seem tied to the time of year though. I've never seen any other area do them like they do there, but a number of other places are just high-risk for getting pulled over for small stuff. Holidays seem bad in general, on the whole. There is risk either way on whether you consent or not, how they'll react and what they'll come up with to do it anyways or if a bluff could work and net a very cursory look, overall though important to try to keep your car clean if at all possible, or if you have to have them with you take precautions mentioned in the thread. Anybody who is taking a lot of precautions with their computer then carrying pills in their cupholder is doing it wrong. If you are just a small-time self-medicating buyer and not otherwise on their radar, getting into legal trouble outside of travel appears to be exceedingly rare. And of course, if you do find yourself in trouble, never ever talk. Ever. "I want a lawyer." Period. They know every damn trick to get you to stick your foot in your mouth and talking NEVER helps you. Even if you end up having to do some talking so you don't rot for years for your vacation stash (a very small amount of some things can have bad mandatory minimums in some places), you still never do it without the lawyer. And be very hesitant to trust anybody otherwise... when their ass is on the line, most people will sing like canaries, and make up a few lines as they go to pry their own cage open a bit more. Safer for them really not to give up the names of the ones who may really come back after them. The inquisitors are much like the ones of old, they don't care much that Goody Hawthorne may have been just brewing a few herbs to soothe her bones and not invoking demons, they want names and can spin it from there.
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  8. That's just insane. You can't consent or if it's one pill, pop it quick... just sayin lol

  9. Travel does seem to be the most dangerous way to get caught. If there's any way to travel without medication, try to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joantesch View Post
    Never consent to a search, no matter how much you are pressured. Do you experience a lot of traffic checkpoints? Especially during certain times of the year?
    In some places, you dont have to consent. They can search on probable cause. They can also tow your car if they want to. The laws vary from place to place so denying consent to search may work where you live, but it may not somewhere else.

    If people keep their car reasonably clean and handle their meds appropriately, there is really no need to refuse the search, other than just battling the cop that pulled you over for some infraction. I learned my lesson about having drugs (heroin...) or paraphernalia in my car or in my purse many years ago. Its just not worth the hassle and a jerk off cop can make that hassle a big hassle if they want to.

    As for checkpoints, we get them randomly around here and in the weirdest places. On the other hand, they will set up shop at a toll booth for a bridge or tunnel and even if your sticker is expired by 2 days, they'll flag you over to the side. Been there and done that too.
    EDIT TO ADD-- I tried the "NO" thing a few times. The local cops made it a point to pull me over any time they saw me. Harassment? Yeah, probably was. I was also a heroin addict and odds were I either had an open warrant or they would find something on me and they knew it. The "NO" thing only works if you're squeaky clean.

    Bottom line-- its just not worth it. Leave your medication at home and if you have to take it with you, put it in a pill bottle. If you dont have a script for what you're carrying, put it in a bottle where the pill description matches closely or find some generic sinus medicine or something like that and put it in that bottle. Overall, the chances of getting busted that way are rather slim but if you have an accident or get pulled over, you'll wish you had left it at home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pantherfan View Post
    I'd be afraid to carry narcotic scripts ina bottled labeled as such. People will rob, mug, harm, even murder over them. The law bs. The spirit of the law is insane.
    Why would anyone need to know that you have such a bottle on you in the first place? Just curious. I dont tell people when I have medication in my purse and someone would have to get awfully close to the bottle to even see what it is. Its no one's business. Take the meds in the bathroom, not out in the open for the world to see. If someone is going to steal my bag, they would be stealing it just to be a criminal not because they know what's in it.

    I would imagine it might be a bit different for a guy that doesnt carry a purse.... but still. No one should know even if you're carrying tylenol. No one's business.
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    I do carry a few pills every day in an older Prescription bottle that I have for a current Rx. If someone takes them it's no huge loss. I've heard that's important.
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    There have been so many good points made in this thread I can’t quote them all in one reply!

    I always thought carrying the bottles was the way to go until encountering numerous accounts of LE using this very same “must-do” as a combination “open-container/proof of purchase/a-ha! So THAT’S your doctor”.
    I have to say I started wondering if if any way was correct.

    I finally settled on the appropriate vials in a emergency first aid kit with all the other stuff one needs, not close to hand in the car.

    This is an old thread, I know, but it certainly got my attention!
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