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    EDIT: SEE THIS IS WHY I DIDN'T TELL. BECAUSE SOMEONE IS GONNA ASK!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagicPeepers View Post
    Shortly after getting a LL about 4-5 years ago I got an actual phone call from a supposed DEA Agent that was warning me to stop whatever I was doing before I went to jail. I acted like I knew nothing. He knew everything. THAT was freaky. However I never stopped doing what I was doing and the po po never rounded me up. Maybe I'm lucky? Or maybe I'm such small potatoes who cares? Has anyone else ever gotten more personal attention?
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    Now this might not help your anxiety, but last year or maybe the year before some members were getting actual unannounced visits at their home by what appeared to be Homeland Security and BP agents. They would pop up in vehicles and basically jump out and come as a crowd to the door, either asking about a package or having it with them.

    I didn't believe those who were posting that, and for a while I did make some very sarcastic and rude posts about it being ridiculous. Like one member was visited over 60 codeine, some over 100 tramadol, I just didn't buy it. At that time I knew our government and LE were wasteful money pits on the taxpayers, but even they surely weren't so damn dumb they would send cars full of agents to a residence over such ridiculously low amounts of meds.

    Until one of the old timers here had it happen to her, then I believed them all. In the end the string of visits seemed to coincide with the one thing most all had in common, not the meds, the vendor. I'm sure the vendor was being cracked down on and that's why.

    Now that I told you that and probably made your heart do a quick jump, don't let that keep you from your meds. Because those visits scared the sh-t out of people, yet again there was no follow up and from what I have seen they are making regular orders yet.

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    I still think customs were told by the vendor what the package really was. There is no way in hell they analyze every suspicious substance or pill that comes through. They have field tests which a semi trained person can do that will flag opiods, coke, speed, benzos and no doubt a few others. Cops have a similar test. If it shows the right color for an opiate lets say, they may send it to a real lab for an in depth analysis if they were planning to do a controlled delivery.

    But those real tests cost a lot of money. They simply can't afford to do it unless they first have a strong suspicion its something major. Since my package was nothing controlled they have no reason to do it. The other thing that made me suspect the vendor is he messaged me saying he had spoken to customs about it and wanted me to call them too. Why on earth would he call them or want me to?

    I believe the stupid fool was trying to ingratiate himself with customs for some reason or actually is so dumb he would tell them. They wrote on the letter it was doxypin hcl an antidepressant not approved to import. Either they spent up to $1000 to have it analyzed after knowing it wasn't anything controlled or my vendor is an idiot. I say the latter.
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    I got my first LL a few months ago, for non controlled items. It was from a very well known Indian vendor that does not sell anything controlled and marks their packages openly as personal use pharmaceuticals.

    Technically, I got 2 LLs, but it was for the same package. Of course I didn't respond or keep either.

    I haven't had a need to order, and the vendor refunded my funds so I was made whole. I plan to order again soon, and now it's my turn to remember all the good advice given here about not worrying etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shayna View Post
    I got my first LL a few months ago, for non controlled items. It was from a very well known Indian vendor that does not sell anything controlled and marks their packages openly as personal use pharmaceuticals.

    Technically, I got 2 LLs, but it was for the same package. Of course I didn't respond or keep either.

    I haven't had a need to order, and the vendor refunded my funds so I was made whole. I plan to order again soon, and now it's my turn to remember all the good advice given here about not worrying etc.
    It just continues to shock me that customs would bother seizing such benign meds. It's almost like seizing vitamins. Considering that it was just announced on the news tonight that pharmaceuticals are expected to increase again this year, we should ALL be ordering from overseas, IMHO...

    Do you mind offering which POE took this? LA has become almost impossible for me, (3 stopped since May) but I continue to wonder and monitor other POE's too, which is why I'm asking.

    I hope you have good luck with your next one...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gullible View Post
    I believe the stupid fool was trying to ingratiate himself with customs for some reason or actually is so dumb he would tell them. They wrote on the letter it was doxypin hcl an antidepressant not approved to import. Either they spent up to $1000 to have it analyzed after knowing it wasn't anything controlled or my vendor is an idiot. I say the latter.
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    @Mecha we all want to know! Lol

    Hey we are an inquisitive bunch to say the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gullible View Post
    I got my first ll yesterday. It was about 6 pages, had all those options including going to court to contest it, etc etc. I already knew it was lost, it had been in customs for 6 weeks so it was gone for sure

    What gets me is they knew it was doxepin hydrochloride, how would they know that unless the vendor told them? The vendor told me they had called customs on the phone and wanted me to call them too. I don't believe for a second that they tested it to see what it was. Has anyone gotten an ll in which an unlabeled item was tested and they told you what it was? It was only 10gm not like they could make a big case out of it. They might test for opiods or fent but not do a complete chem test

    I will order again but not from the same vendor. They offered to resend but I want a refund which they are stalling on. I will fast track that with paypal
    In the last 16 years, I've gotten 1 LL and I had 2 different kinds of medicine, (Prazosin and Lamotrigine) and they knew exactly what it was. However, there's no way in hell that my source ratted me out. I (actually personally know her, but that's off-topic.:-D. They probably send it over to their lab and probably do further research on them.

  11. What does "LL" stand for? Receiving a letter like this would completely freak me out. After reading through this thread, it sounds like it is more risky (in terms of package seizure) to order from India, Pakistan, or China. Are there countries that can be ordered from more safely? I see that there are sites that ship from U.S., but the prices seem to be grossly inflated. Hope this post doesn't violate any forum rules, please let me know if so.

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  13. Quote Originally Posted by Jazie View Post
    Affectionately "Love Letter"

    The Government sent you a sweet LL
    If one of these is received, does it remain in records? Are prescribing physicians able to see these? Sorry for the flood of questions, but it concerns me if I ever should place an order with an IOP that this could occur, even for an order of non-scheduled items.
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  14. @jaders Hi, new here, just a quick question. When you say LA has been difficult for shipments, are you referring to Louisiana or Los Angeles? Thanks in advance, and nice to meet you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polina View Post
    @jaders Hi, new here, just a quick question. When you say LA has been difficult for shipments, are you referring to Louisiana or Los Angeles? Thanks in advance, and nice to meet you!
    Los Angeles, which is a very big port of entry on the west coast. Since I'm in the NW you'd think mine would go to San Francisco, but lately I am not having any luck. Also it hasn't seemed to matter which country of origin either, as some that were considered "safe" seem to be picked off equally now. If you do this "racket" long enough you're very likely to receive a LL at some point. Most folks have received a few and I doubt it has a big effect on much of anything, but the way our government is turning on its people these days, I don't know what to expect any more...

    However, it's nice to meet you too, Polina!
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by jaders View Post
    Los Angeles, which is a very big port of entry on the west coast. Since I'm in the NW you'd think mine would go to San Francisco, but lately I am not having any luck. Also it hasn't seemed to matter which country of origin either, as some that were considered "safe" seem to be picked off equally now. If you do this "racket" long enough you're very likely to receive a LL at some point. Most folks have received a few and I doubt it has a big effect on much of anything, but the way our government is turning on its people these days, I don't know what to expect any more...

    However, it's nice to meet you too, Polina!
    Thank you for answering my question! A letter like that would be so distressing to me. I am going to definitely take precautions so that I don’t have to experience that. Any tips on countries that are more safe to ship from than others? Again, thank you so much for your reply.

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    I've been ordering from foreign IOP's since 2010. For the first 5 years, dozens of orders, not one LL. Then, in 2015, I had a bad run of 5 seizures in a short amount of time, 4 of those from one vendor (who is no longer active). Since then, I've had another 3 seizures. No one has crashed my door in, but there is always the threat of a knock-and-talk. I'm not sure how they decide whom to focus on, it seems like it may be based on which vendors or region the fed's are targeting at any given time.

    Since 2015, my overall success rate is still ~96% or so. Success depends on which ISC port your letters go through and what regions you order from, and less so on what you are ordering. The recent crash and burn of 2 major vendors demonstrates this, immediately prior to the demise of these 2 vendors, many people were experiencing seizures and/or loss shipments.
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    I really appreciate info like this about people's experience.

    Funny story, I just got back into a few orders years ago, and everything had been going fine, all orders had come through (including some of those that get stuck for a few days longer than the norm which produces a bit of consternation). Then the other morning, no LL, but I had a cop (in street clothes but a badge around their neck) at door. I have one of those RING doorbells with the cameras and I freaked! I was like "Here, it is. My time. They've caught me!" I argued with myself for a sec about living the Harrison Ford "Fugitive" lifestyle but decided to just go to the door and accept the consequences.

    It ends up my roommates gf had credit problems and they came to drop off the summons from a CC company suit. I took the paperwork with a nod and "thanks officer" (dude was chill) then he left with a smile. Finally, I wiped my sweaty brow and went inside to take some anti-anxiety meds I got online.
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    usually just a one off, Jurisprudence sp?

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