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    I remember taking Fentanyl about 8 or 9 years ago for pain and it worked quite well, but it was hard to stay awake. I was still working at the time and was really uncomfortable using it while at work. I couldn't read without almost falling asleep. Just the back and forth motion of my eyes made me nod. But for those in severe critical pain, fentanyl could be a miracle but is probably rarely used anymore. I believe it has it's place and does serve some purpose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bwaterson19 View Post
    How many countries are being seriously affected by Fentan*l being around in fake pills or whatever other way it comes in? I know it hardly gets a mention in the UK, if there has been deaths from it, they are very rare, hardly ever gets mentioned here, I can only think of the US that is being badly hit by this, is anywhere else suffering from this stuff as bad as the US is?

    I was given a tiny amount for a hospital procedure, apart from that have never seen it or heard of it being sold on our streets, its odd that it seems to be the US being affected as far as I can see.

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    From what I've read, the US far surpasses any other country for all pain medications not just fentanyl. I think in general, we consume more prescriptions, non opioid than anyone else also. I'm not sure that anyone has any idea of why there's such a demand for medication.

    Maybe we're just dissatisfied with our lives than people in other countries - I've seen ratings for which countries are happiest and we're not up there near the top. I wonder also wonder if people started demanding prescriptions more when they changed the law that prevented pharmaceutical companies from direct consumer advertising. It seems like every commercial on tv now is for some new drug.
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    I have never encountered fent outside the OR. America is a target because of our drug laws encourages illegal operatives, and “some people say” we have a lot of ignorant people with death wishes. SAD!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jakemoe View Post
    I remember taking Fentanyl about 8 or 9 years ago for pain and it worked quite well, but it was hard to stay awake. I was still working at the time and was really uncomfortable using it while at work. I couldn't read without almost falling asleep. Just the back and forth motion of my eyes made me nod. But for those in severe critical pain, fentanyl could be a miracle but is probably rarely used anymore. I believe it has it's place and does serve some purpose.
    Let those that entertain the idea of using it recreationally take notice! It is EXTREMELY effective as an analgesic and has a sedation and hypnotic effect that make it not enjoyable and DEADLY.
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    Unfortunately, It’s just that “sedation and hypnotic effect” that they’re looking for.
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  6. The huge stroke of shutting so many things down with various operations has caused these backyard street hustlers to come in and create a dangerous environment. The gov is the reason this industry is in the state it's in. Just like prohibition, quality and proof were horrible for liver and kidneys. Now, in this day and age, medication is a money maker and the bottom of the barrel who care nothing of your lives have stepped in and caused this horrible epidemic. I really think there would have been problems either way, but this is why so many are in actual dangerous situations now. Take away more and more reputable establishments, you get dangerous thugs in return. It's a shame.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by wildings View Post
    that is exactly the bewildering part to me. Not that it is vividly dangerous as a result of how it is being used. It appears from the layman's perspective that replacing oxycod.. with fent is equivalent to replacing gold with platinum. literally every price tag i have ever seen puts fent.. much higher than anything else on the menu, that is when they can even stock it. admittedly i'm not a follower of either but isn't that you guy's observation? I haven't seen any sources with "fire sale" prices on boat loads of fent... so how does this make sense.
    not argumentative, i just don't get the supply demand factor. clearly it is happening i just don't see how that is profitable.
    any plausible explanation would be appreciated. if it is so readily available and cheap to produce why aren't sources making it a priority to sell it directly, without the dangerous mixtures?
    It's cheap, because a synthesis was developed stateside a number of years back by an independent chemist (just a guy who did basement chem, he wasn't working for big pharma). So, it can be produced locally, it doesn't have to be imported from China. I don't use the drug, BTW, it's a poor option for the chronic pain sufferer, the half-life is too short and the potency is over-kill, unless you are in acute pain.
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  8. I've had F a few times in the hospital before surgery, and long (though long past) experience with opiates both legal and illegal. F was widely known long before the current crisis as the drug of choice for doctors and anesthesiologists and nurses themselves, largely because the high is over relatively quickly, so you can do it on your lunch hour and then go back to work. But that was pharmaceutical stuff, and therefore easy to dose. For everyone else, I would definitely stay away -- stay away from all street drugs for the time being, including street pot. It's just too risky, and too easy to OD. And don't think for a second that snorting or smoking it will improve your odds. They won't.

    On top of that, anyone who goes near the stuff should have a few doses of Narcan handy, along with someone around to administer it. You can get it in most US states, I believe, without a prescription.

    As for how this ends, I think we need to remember that drug fads come and go, and as horrible as they can be, to a certain extent it's just a fashion. Remember crack? Remember crack hysteria? Remember crack babies? Well, it turns out there were no crack babies, that was a myth. Remember ice?

    The risks from F are more acute because you can't really OD on crack -- not easily, anyway. But you have to look at these through the lens of history, and understand them as social and cultural phenomena as much as anything else. Law enforcement can't do that, because their priorities are understandably more immediate. The press has a short memory. The rest of us just have to be careful, be as sympethtic as you can e, and remember that this, too, shall pass.
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