12 Experts Questioning the Coronavirus Panic

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Maskell

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Another helpful idiot questioning science.
I suggest that you invest in a few elementary reading comprehension lessons, Mr Nutty. Firstly, Neil Ferguson is a scientist and secondly, in an age when science is so corrupt and politicised it's only idiots who don't question the claims of scientists.
 

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Finally there's irrefutable evidence that - as I've said all along - government statistics are grossly inflated because COVID-19 diagnostic tests are completely unreliable, lockdowns accomplish nothing except the destruction of our economies and COVID-19 causes no more deaths than are caused by the flu in any other year. All the most recent scientific data supports those conclusions as this video featuring the biochemial engineer Ivor Cummins concisely explains.

Professor Carl James Heneghan, the director of the University of Oxford's Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine has recently expressed his full support for Ivor Cummins's brilliant evidential analyses of the government's claims about COVID-19. This video, that first alerted me to Ivor Cummins work is also hghly informative, as are the others on that channel.
 

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As someone who has traveled to several states over the last few months, the level of panic seems directly related to how woke the population of the state is. I live in one of the bluest of states and we have one of the lowest positivity rates for testing but people are crazy panicked here. I mean, someone will put a mask on outside if they are all alone - they literally start to tremble if another person comes near them. However, when I travel to a red state, where ostensibly things are much worse off, where the positivity rate is much higher, people are normal. I know that my friends want to use the victim-blaming "that's why their positivity rate is higher" but that's an ad-hoc fallacy. The truth is that in blue states, people get tested more so millions of more people getting tested when they don't even need to be is leading to a lower percentage where in a less woke state, probably only the the people who have symptoms get tested so they have a higher percentage because the people are not panicked. In my state the fear porn is non-stop- I can't take it and of course, they try to equate the causation "that's why we have it under control because people are taking it seriously" -At my job, I literally have to get tested every week and some people have to get tested twice a week, so of course our rates of positivity are low when you're testing the same negative people over and over again for no reason. I want to move - I can't take this insanity any more. Thank you guys in this thread for letting people know they are no alone.
 

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In my opinion, This is mostly political in nature. Im amazed with the mass compliance of most wearing masks, staying locked down for their entire life losing jobs, losing families.

Media fear mongering doesn't help but I thought the average person was more intelligent and would see through much of this at least for themselves, their livelihood and their family.

Fyi, Governors executive orders are not permanent laws.
 

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In my opinion, This is mostly political in nature. Im amazed with the mass compliance of most wearing masks, staying locked down for their entire life losing jobs, losing families.

Media fear mongering doesn't help but I thought the average person was more intelligent and would see through much of this at least for themselves, their livelihood and their family.

Fyi, Governors executive orders are not permanent laws.
I read a very strange article (don't know if this has been mentioned already on here as I haven't read all the posts but...two or three doctors have been looking into the fact that many covod19 patients have been suffering from "altitude sickness" when in fact they haven't been climbing mountains or been flying in aircraft or anything like it....very interesting as their breathing is laboured but no logical reason has yet to be found for it....
 

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In my opinion, This is mostly political in nature. I'm amazed with the mass compliance of most wearing masks, staying locked down for their entire life losing jobs, losing families.

Media fear mongering doesn't help but I thought the average person was more intelligent and would see through much of this at least for themselves, their livelihood and their family...

You could perhaps understand that boomers brought up to worship anyone with a white coat and a stethoscope might give too much credence to public health officials who represent highly politicised organisations like the CDC and the WHO who accept funding from BigPharma. But you'd think the fact that "experts" frequently disagree amongst themselves about the most fundamental claims such as whether masks offer any protection and change their mind from day to day and week to week would give them pause for thought. Add to that government lockdown policies whose efficacy is unsupported by any scientific evidence and it should be plain enough that politicians have no more clue about what they're doing than scientists.

This article from today's MailOnline (I know, but it's one of the few more or less independent voices on COVID policy) analyses recent statistics and demonstrates how utterly misleading the British government's claims about COVID are:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8845533/

Truth about the claims scaring us all to death: Soaring infections, teeming hospital wards, and terrifying death rates... but do the numbers justifying crippling new lockdowns REALLY stand up to scrutiny?

With half of Britain set to be plunged into stricter lockdowns from midnight tomorrow, you could be forgiven for thinking that, amidst all the doom and gloom, the threat of Covid-19 has never been so severe.

But as ROSS CLARK reveals, things might not be anywhere near as bad as the fear-mongers would have you think…

Claim: ICU beds in Liverpool are already 95 per cent full

Reality: Fewer ICU beds are occupied than last year


On paper the 95 per cent statistic, revealed earlier this week by Liverpool city councillor Paul Brant, conjures up a disturbing image of overflowing hospitals and inadequate care.

So rest assured that it bears no relation to reality. Indeed on Thursday, Liverpool University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust dismissed Mr Brant's claim, insisting that its units were only 80 per cent full with just 47 of its 61 critical care beds occupied.

That may still seem high, but it is actually perfectly normal for ICU beds to be full at this time of year.

Last year, for example, 51 out of 59 ICU beds in Liverpool's hospitals were full, while in 2018 it was 52 out of 59 beds...
 

Maskell

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I read a very strange article (don't know if this has been mentioned already on here as I haven't read all the posts but...two or three doctors have been looking into the fact that many covod19 patients have been suffering from "altitude sickness" when in fact they haven't been climbing mountains or been flying in aircraft or anything like it....very interesting as their breathing is laboured but no logical reason has yet to be found for it....

Those doctors (one of whom made a video about his findings) were among the first independent COVID commentators to be banned by YouTube, Twitter and Facebook. All three platforms now routinely ban even highly qualified doctors and scientists whose opinion is at variance with that of the WHO.

Dr Vernon Coleman:

https://www.bitchute.com/hashtag/vernoncoleman/

is one of the most lucid commentators on COVID-related censorship and disinformtion. BitChute videos take a while to load but they can be downloaded instantly by pasting the video's URL into TubeOffline:

https://www.tubeoffline.com/download-BitChute-videos.php

Dr Coleman also has a YouTube channel but it's so heavily censored that only 4 or 5 videos remain from the hundreds that used to be posted.

"The general population doesn't know what's happening, and it doesn't even know that it doesn't know". Noam Chomsky
 

Maskell

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He’s an anti vax conspiracy theorist Lol.

He's a qualified doctor and an internationally bestselling author on medical topics.

Instead of mindlessly repeating slogans like "anti-vax conspiracy theorist", why not actually listen to what he has to say and try to think for yourself about the validity of his conclusions. At the very least, a video like A Vaccination Challenge will acquaint you with a few basic and easily verifiable facts, such as the billions of dollars that governments have paid as compensation to patients damaged by vaccines - do you think they pay out that money for fun?

You'll also hear Dr Coleman plainly state that - contrary to your claim that he's some sort of "anti-vax conspiracy theorist" nutter - :"I'm not saying that vaccines shouldn't be given, I'm simply saying that we need more information we need more testing".

Hardly the words of an irrational and intransigent fanatic.
 

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He’s an anti vax-er lol.
he thinks Covid statistics are a sham, and over inflated.
he calls Remainers Nazis for heaven’s sake. He’s a grifter. Don’t get taken in by that BS, please.
 

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He’s an anti vax-er lol.
he thinks Covid statistics are a sham, and over inflated.

"There are none so blind as those who will not see".

Doctors are PAID to inflate the statistics! Even the CDC's Director had to admit that much in the interview below (that's what "perverse incentive" means). Add to that the massive statistical inflation caused by the fact that up to 90% of the test results are false positives and it should be plain to anyone that the official numbers are complete nonsense.

https://www.cnsnews.com/article/was...hink-youre-correct-about-inflated-covid-death

CDC Director: "I Think You’re Correct" About Inflated COVID Death Statistics

(CNSNews.com) – Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Robert Redfield acknowledged Friday that the number of COVID-19 deaths could be inflated where someone who had the virus actually died from something else, but it was recorded as a COVID death...

“[Giroir] acknowledges that the statistics he’s getting from the states are inflated. We found that the governor of Colorado, who was a Democrat, actually did research on this and found he had to get rid of 12% of the deaths that were recorded in the state,” Luetkemeyer said.

He asked Redfield to comment on the “perverse incentive” and whether there is an effort “to try and do something different in a way that these deaths are recorded so we actually have better records and better numbers to go with.”

The CDC director said that the same thing happened in the early days of the HIV epidemic.

“I think you’re correct in that we've seen this in other disease processes too. Early in the HIV epidemic, somebody may have a heart attack but also have HIV. The hospital would prefer the DRG for HIV because there is greater reimbursement. So I do think there’s some reality to that. When it comes to death reporting though, ultimately, it's how the physician defines it in the death certificate,” Redfield said...
 

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You won’t convince anyone with links from CNS news (Hard conservative conspiracy site, thinks the Hunter Biden laptop that flew itself to Trump Laptop Repair in NY is actually real. Ask yourself why the reporter refused to have his byline on the NYPost story. Or just educate yourself about Murdoch media), or videos of Leonard. He talks about 1 in 100,000 serious effect from a vaccine (without clarifying what vaccine he might Even be talking about) but has nothing to say about the 1/100 infection fatality rate for Covid. Let’s compare risks shall we?

And really, just cut to the chase - “excess deaths“ in US (deaths above the normal expected deaths from things like heart disease, cancer, old age and so on) are generally fairly low, since we can predict with good accuracy the death rates of these known morbidities. We don’t often miss by too much, unless there was for ex an exceptionally bad flu season.

We now have nearly 300,000 excess deaths in the US.
Seriously - what do you suppose might be the cause? Let’s have some critical thinking. Calling Covid a hoax is dangerous disinformation, harmful to others.

I say again, come on man.
 

Maskell

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You won’t convince anyone with links from CNS news (Hard conservative conspiracy site, thinks the Hunter Biden laptop that flew itself to Trump Laptop Repair in NY is actually real.

Funnily enough, that's exactly what John Ratcliffe, the US Director of National Intelligence thinks:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/oct/19/no-russian-conspiracy-biden-laptop-scandal-dni-rat/

No Russian conspiracy in Biden laptop scandal: DNI Ratcliffe

Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe said on Monday there is no evidence that Hunter Biden’s explosive emails are part of a Russian disinformation campaign, specifically calling out Rep. Adam Schiff for spreading the conspiracy without evidence.

"It’s funny that some of the people who complain the most about intelligence being politicized are the ones politicizing the intelligence,” Mr. Ratcliffe said, according to Fox News. “Unfortunately, it is Adam Schiff who said the intelligence community believes the Hunter Biden laptop and emails on it are part of a Russian disinformation campaign...".


But let's not stray too far off-topic.

EDIT: Here's the interview video, before you claim that the report is "fake news" - though YouTube will soon remove it I expect:


It's also worth mentioning that Senator Ron Johnson has suggested that there's child pornography on the computer that belongs to Hunter Biden:


There are claims of far worse (if such can even be imagined) on sites like Infowars and Bannon and Guiliani's YouTube channels but I'll wait to see what the next few days reveal. This morning a surrogate from the Biden campaign admitted that the E-mails are genuine and the fact that Joe's cancelled all his engagements and gone into hiding two weeks before the election really says it all.

No doubt all will be revealed over the next few days but how anyone can defend these people is beyond me.
 
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"I'm not saying that vaccines shouldn't be given, I'm simply saying that we need more information and we need more testing". Dr Vernon Coleman

https://www.rt.com/news/504224-covid19-vaccine-candidates-hiv/

Cure worse than disease? Some Covid-19 vaccines may increase HIV risk, scientists warn

A group of researchers in the US is sounding the alarm over several coronavirus vaccines currently undergoing clinical trials, warning that they may increase the risk of contracting HIV in subjects who take them.

At least four of the current batch of Covid-19 vaccines in development at the clinical trial stage might increase patients' risk of contracting HIV, according to a team of scientists led by Susan Buchbinder, a University of California San Francisco professor and head of HIV Prevention Research at the San Francisco Department of Public Health. One of the vaccines is on the verge of phase 3 studies in Russia and Pakistan...

The above article is based on a paper published on Monday in the Lancet, the world's oldest and most prestigious medical journal.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32156-5/fulltext

Use of adenovirus type-5 vectored vaccines: a cautionary tale

We are writing to express concern about the use of a recombinant adenovirus type-5 (Ad5) vector for a COVID-19 phase 1 vaccine study,1
and subsequent advanced trials...

On the basis of these findings, we are concerned that use of an Ad5 vector for immunisation against severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) could similarly increase the risk of HIV-1 acquisition among men who receive the vaccine... This important safety consideration should be thoroughly evaluated before further development of Ad5 vaccines for SARS-CoV-2, and informed consent documents of these potential risks should reflect the considerable literature on HIV-1 acquisition with Ad5 vectors.
 

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"I'm not saying that vaccines shouldn't be given, I'm simply saying that we need more information and we need more testing". Dr Vernon Coleman

https://www.rt.com/news/504224-covid19-vaccine-candidates-hiv/

Cure worse than disease? Some Covid-19 vaccines may increase HIV risk, scientists warn

A group of researchers in the US is sounding the alarm over several coronavirus vaccines currently undergoing clinical trials, warning that they may increase the risk of contracting HIV in subjects who take them.

At least four of the current batch of Covid-19 vaccines in development at the clinical trial stage might increase patients' risk of contracting HIV, according to a team of scientists led by Susan Buchbinder, a University of California San Francisco professor and head of HIV Prevention Research at the San Francisco Department of Public Health. One of the vaccines is on the verge of phase 3 studies in Russia and Pakistan...

The above article is based on a paper published on Monday in the Lancet, the world's oldest and most prestigious medical journal.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32156-5/fulltext

Use of adenovirus type-5 vectored vaccines: a cautionary tale

We are writing to express concern about the use of a recombinant adenovirus type-5 (Ad5) vector for a COVID-19 phase 1 vaccine study,1
and subsequent advanced trials...

On the basis of these findings, we are concerned that use of an Ad5 vector for immunisation against severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) could similarly increase the risk of HIV-1 acquisition among men who receive the vaccine... This important safety consideration should be thoroughly evaluated before further development of Ad5 vaccines for SARS-CoV-2, and informed consent documents of these potential risks should reflect the considerable literature on HIV-1 acquisition with Ad5 vectors.
Thought recombinant meant alphabet soup DNA; could be wrong. Lancet link refers to phase one?
Could you clarify
thx
 
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Maskell

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Thought recombinant meant alphabet soup DNA; could be wrong. Lancet link refers to phase one?
Could you clarify
thx

I think recombinant just means chemically engineered, i.e., cooked up in a lab - but I could also be wrong; and the authors' concerns apply not just to phase one but to all stages of testing.
 

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We are all capable to think and reason for ourselves. Review the facts in a objective manner. Learn about the PCR test that self proclaims it doesn’t measure covid -19 virus in isolation. No one has isolated covid 19. The PCR test measures RNA magnified or duplicated in the lab (cut off levels for magnifying RNA in PCR tests that produces a covid 19 positive result vary by manufacture). The RNA being hunted for can be found in each human if magnified enough times.

This may a good place to begin a foundation of understanding for those who have the ability think critically versus parroting mainstream media. Begin with facts, work upstream, and follow the $.
 
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