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Zenak

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I don't understand the use of the word narrative here. I certainly don't want to get into a debate over science, and I am not qualified to do so.

But when the experts from all over the world are in agreement, and we can see the difference in how other places respond and the numbers react (Germany, South Korea, Japan), it just doesn't seem to me as if there is a question of fact here. The facts are clear, just like they are for other medical items such as smoking causes cancer, vaccines work and don't cause autism, etc.
 

sara22

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I don't understand the use of the word narrative here. I certainly don't want to get into a debate over science, and I am not qualified to do so.

But when the experts from all over the world are in agreement, and we can see the difference in how other places respond and the numbers react (Germany, South Korea, Japan), it just doesn't seem to me as if there is a question of fact here. The facts are clear, just like they are for other medical items such as smoking causes cancer, vaccines work and don't cause autism, etc.
narrative, a story or a description of a series of events. Smoking used to be recommended as a therapy for stress, DTD was sprayed on children, etc. Why don't things such as these get used ANYMORE? Because somebody questioned the science.
 

Vans Edge

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I think my family is not doing Thanksgiving this year. First year in my whole life...
 

LuckyIrish

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I’m actually looking forward to our cancelled Thanksgiving. While I always enjoy getting the whole family together, Thanksgiving is a lot of work. This year we have new babies and a serious illness so it’s just not worth the risk. We’ll all get together again in the spring...St Pats is a big get together for us.
 

SCED

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Hi Friends!
We continue to push on to be ready for next week. I’d like to thank everyone who provided their input and feedback to me. I’ve taken it all to heart. And as I have already described, we have done (and continue to) all the suggestions that were feasible. We’ve got 2 tables so there is an empty seat between every guest. We’ve all agreed to wear masks (except when we are eating). We have separated sleeping arrangements into two houses. And my son and gf will have their luggage disinfected when they leave the plane and sit in my garage until dry.

Food will be delivered to each person by me, wearing a mask and when meals are done, I will point family to their quarters. The lads will watch some TV, the ladies have advised they will enjoy their after dinner wine on the lanai.

Unfortunately there will be no hugs, kisses or anything other than an elbow “bump”. As long as no one breaks the rules, we should be good to go. All adults have had flu shots and my wife and I had Covid tests yesterday with results expected tomorrow. Other visiting adults have all had their tests and all were negative.

We’ve been keeping the windows open during the day and wiping surfaces with Lysol wipes, even in the car.

Again thank you to everyone who’s shared an opinion, even if I’ve chose to disagree. I refuse to let the virus rule my life BUT I respect it’s ability to hurt me and the people I love. Ever onward!
Ed
 

SCED

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I wish my entire family lived closer and we would all be together for Thanksgiving, wouldn't it give it a second thought. The influenza can be deadly too and that never stopped anyone before so why should this? Because the government, says so? Nope! I would rather live normally than live in fear, that's my personal choice and my family can make up their own minds. These politicians aren't even following these ridiculous guidelines, why aren't they scared? Maybe they know something we don't? Like it's being used for control and fear propaganda? Just my thoughts and yes I have family members that work in the medical field and they share my point of view. At any moment life can end for anyone so why would we want to miss out on time together?
Thank you, you seem to be the only one on here questioning the narrative. It breaks my heart to see everyone complying and asking no questions. I have researched the underlying agenda and also how and what the vaccines will do to our bodies. It isn't a pretty story. If anyone wants some of the information I have gleaned, please feel free to message me. I don't want to go into details here because it seems to garner hate / fear responses.
Sara,
You have me severly intrigued by your last sentence. In full disclosure, I have two cousins who are PhDs working for two pharma companies. I have no reason to think they would omit details of the vaccines of which they have both been involved in helping to bring to the masses. They do say they are concerned about distribution and innoculation.

Just as there are some people in the US who have chosen to NOT inoculate their children against measles, there will likely will be those who believe that the vaccines will do more harm than good. I believe that if you do not take advantage of the science and medicine provided, you’re likely making a choice, but not one I would make.

Having said that, I have no problem waiting for vaccine 2.0 where all the “bugs” are worked out. So we’ll see.

By the way, a former classmate who went on to be a pulmonary specialist has written a book that was published before the pandemic but it is eerily close. It is a work of fiction but it seems frighteningly real. It’s available for Kindle or Softcover via Amazon and I have NO FINANCIAL INTEREST in its sales, but considering it was actually written in 2018, the comparisons to Covid are compelling. The Accidental Terrorist by Dr. Salvatore Croce, MD is the book I reference. I do hope I’m not breaking any rules, but simply sharing how one man’s visit to Venice two years ago and the inspiration it gave him to sit down and write a book, have it professionally edited and published and its relevance today.

One week to Thanksgiving and I am already giving thanks to everyone here who CARED enough to respond to my post. I am honored.

Ed
 

Shock

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I certainly respect all views pertaining to Covid, especially when it comes to the elderly and those with underlying conditions that increase the chance of serious symptoms, including death. One does need to keep in mind the death rate, despite the increase of cases, continues to decline (testing has dramatically increased which partially explains this). The recent statistics have shown if under 75 or so without underlying conditions the survival rate is above 99%. Taking all precautions is very smart however and your plan is very well thought out. Personally, we are going to just have Thanksgiving dinner with our household as we do have quite a few family members in the higher risk category. I’m not one to relay conspiracy theories, but at some point we need to move forward (protect those most vulnerable, and those not at high risk continue with their lives). The downstream effect of lockdowns has extremely huge consequences as most know (depression, substance abuse, and loss of income to support their families). It’s a very tough call and need to have a balanced approach to Covid as we can’t continue to lock down without serious repercussion. Just my 0.02.
 

sara22

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I wish my entire family lived closer and we would all be together for Thanksgiving, wouldn't it give it a second thought. The influenza can be deadly too and that never stopped anyone before so why should this? Because the government, says so? Nope! I would rather live normally than live in fear, that's my personal choice and my family can make up their own minds. These politicians aren't even following these ridiculous guidelines, why aren't they scared? Maybe they know something we don't? Like it's being used for control and fear propaganda? Just my thoughts and yes I have family members that work in the medical field and they share my point of view. At any moment life can end for anyone so why would we want to miss out on time together?
Thank you, you seem to be the only one on here questioning the narrative. It breaks my heart to see everyone complying and asking no questions. I have researched the underlying agenda and also how and what the vaccines will do to our bodies. It isn't a pretty story. If anyone wants some of the information I have gleaned, please feel free to message me. I don't want to go into details here because it seems to garner hate / fear responses.
Sara,
You have me severly intrigued by your last sentence. In full disclosure, I have two cousins who are PhDs working for two pharma companies. I have no reason to think they would omit details of the vaccines of which they have both been involved in helping to bring to the masses. They do say they are concerned about distribution and innoculation.

Just as there are some people in the US who have chosen to NOT inoculate their children against measles, there will likely will be those who believe that the vaccines will do more harm than good. I believe that if you do not take advantage of the science and medicine provided, you’re likely making a choice, but not one I would make.

Having said that, I have no problem waiting for vaccine 2.0 where all the “bugs” are worked out. So we’ll see.

By the way, a former classmate who went on to be a pulmonary specialist has written a book that was published before the pandemic but it is eerily close. It is a work of fiction but it seems frighteningly real. It’s available for Kindle or Softcover via Amazon and I have NO FINANCIAL INTEREST in its sales, but considering it was actually written in 2018, the comparisons to Covid are compelling. The Accidental Terrorist by Dr. Salvatore Croce, MD is the book I reference. I do hope I’m not breaking any rules, but simply sharing how one man’s visit to Venice two years ago and the inspiration it gave him to sit down and write a book, have it professionally edited and published and its relevance today.

One week to Thanksgiving and I am already giving thanks to everyone here who CARED enough to respond to my post. I am honored.

Ed
Thank you for your wonderful comments. My son got severely damaged by the polio vaccine, he went from running tack and field to the next day after the shot, not being able to get out of bed. His intestines were severely damaged to the point where his food gets expelled from his body so fast that he doesn't get the benefits of his food, her is skinny as a rack and he is on dialysis 3X per week. This rushing of a vaccine is very frightening to me, and it will affect the DNA and I have read many sources that tel me it will actually hack the nervous system. This covis scare wa put forth by Dr, Fauci in 2017, it was "predicted" Really gives pause for thought. Aslo there is no data available to back up the things that they are telling us to do to stay safe. I feel, that it is doing more harm in many areas, than good. Please no hateful comments please. I am not able to deal with anger and hate at this point.
 

SCED

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Thanks Sara,
I am saddened by the events that harmed your son. Neither you nor he deserved this. Without getting too personal, did you pursue a legal response from either and/or the physician who gave him the injection or the company that provided the vaccine?

I am not an attorney or a doctor, but I do believe in the physician’s oath of “First, do no harm.” As I mentioned, I am literally “surrounded” by doctors, though they don’t practice medicine, they are pure researchers. One of my cousins has been working on an Altsheimers medication, designed not to prevent the disease but to slow it down significantly. The other is involved in kidney disease and its randomness as to who gets it especially with no family history of renal failure.

I lost both my parents at relatively young ages. My dad 67 (I’m 66) and my mom 77. The obvious answer was metastatic cancer brought on by smoking cigarettes for 50 years or more. I can recall writing a paper on the effects of tobacco on humans and the reality that in fact there really is very little of tobacco plant in a cigarette. This was years before I lost my folks and tried to convince them to stop. I had no luck changing their hard headed minds.

But, in all these cases, I consider them “self-inflicted wounds”. In your case, I’d wager you neither chose the product or how it was administered. No need to reply. I’m sure this remains a difficult topic just to write on this board. Nonetheless, if there is someone at fault - they should likely be held responsible and I hope you had an opportunity to pursue that route, if for no other reason than to avoid the pain you and your son suffered, laid upon someone else.

Again, thank you for sharing your story and I hope there is a blessing in your future to help you both.
Peace!
Ed
 

Gullible

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This will be an unpopular opinion but I think the covid is mostly a scam. Its not nearly as dangerous as they say. I say go ahead with the celebrations unless your dictator governor says no. Then do it anyway, ha ha ha

By the way, the "scientists" and doctors are not in agreement on masks, quarantines, etc no matter what the media tells you. Many doctors have said its a scam and not much worse than the flu. But cnn, abc, nbc etc say its the worst thing ever, so we must obey (or not). More of them say its overblown than who agree with the politicians but media only reports on things that agree with the story they are trying to sell you
 

sara22

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This will be an unpopular opinion but I think the covid is mostly a scam. Its not nearly as dangerous as they say. I say go ahead with the celebrations unless your dictator governor says no. Then do it anyway, ha ha ha

By the way, the "scientists" and doctors are not in agreement on masks, quarantines, etc no matter what the media tells you. Many doctors have said its a scam and not much worse than the flu. But cnn, abc, nbc etc say its the worst thing ever, so we must obey (or not). More of them say its overblown than who agree with the politicians but media only reports on things that agree with the story they are trying to sell you
I hope most of you will have a listen to this DR,
 

Gullible

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I don't understand the use of the word narrative here. I certainly don't want to get into a debate over science, and I am not qualified to do so.

But when the experts from all over the world are in agreement, and we can see the difference in how other places respond and the numbers react (Germany, South Korea, Japan), it just doesn't seem to me as if there is a question of fact here. The facts are clear, just like they are for other medical items such as smoking causes cancer, vaccines work and don't cause autism, etc.
Sorry Zenak but the experts are not all in agreement on this. Speaking of how governments respond, did you know that sweden has had no lockdowns nor rules about wearing masks? They have a lower rate than the rest of europe which has many lockdowns and rules. Funny how that is. Also their overall death rate right now is lower than any year in the past 10 years. Imagine that

Is usa death rate up this year? I don't think it is or the dirtbag media would be talking about that non stop. No, all they talk about is "cases" which means someone showed positive on a test. Woopie.
 

Gullible

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Click on the doctor that sara22 provided and get a different point of view than that pushed on you by the media. Politicians are not doctors and they are making the decisions
 

Shock

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What is really interesting is the cases of flu and death from flu have dramatically decreased. I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but believe this pandemic is A bit overblown. Certainly understand there have been many deaths directly linked to Covid, but many appear to be related to the elderly and those at high risk. Last I checked if under 70 years old there is a 99% chance of recovery and not death. Shutting down schools (particularly elementary schools) seems excessive and the long term effect is not going to be good given it has been shown kids are less likely to spread the disease or have negative consequences. Protect the elderly and those at risk, but for the rest of us imo we need to move forward with our lives.
 

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Nobody in my family even questioned if Thanksgiving was canceled or not. It's unfortunate that there is so much pressure coming from people to "get things back to normal" that we keep screwing up. A few private schools around me opened up because of pressure from parents and immediately had to close down a few days later when all of them ended up finding at least one kid testing positive for covid. I personally do not fall in the "vulnerable" category, but I don't want any type of illness--especially if it can put me in the hospital or cause long term effects. I also wouldn't want to spread that to anyone else.

Anyway, it's going to be a lonely Thanksgiving, but I will be thankful for my health. So far no one in my family has caught the virus and we live in a place where everything is being shut down again. I'm hoping our luck continues.

Stay safe!
 

Seychelle

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Nobody in my family even questioned if Thanksgiving was canceled or not. It's unfortunate that there is so much pressure coming from people to "get things back to normal" that we keep screwing up. A few private schools around me opened up because of pressure from parents and immediately had to close down a few days later when all of them ended up finding at least one kid testing positive for covid. I personally do not fall in the "vulnerable" category, but I don't want any type of illness--especially if it can put me in the hospital or cause long term effects. I also wouldn't want to spread that to anyone else.

Anyway, it's going to be a lonely Thanksgiving, but I will be thankful for my health. So far no one in my family has caught the virus and we live in a place where everything is being shut down again. I'm hoping our luck continues.

Stay safe!
 

Ellyn

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I'm with @jaders on this one - this year my family is basically skipping Thanksgiving, and we may celebrate Christmas on a day other than December 25 - maybe Christmas in March or some such thing. We live in an area where infections are rampant and we've decided that it's not worth risking anyone's health to have a holiday dinner on a specific day. We can order a free-range turkey any time, and we can put up a tree any time too. We know some people who have long-term Covid at this point and we've decided to be patient and have the whole family get-together at another time. No one in my family wants to get Covid, and we don't want to turn out to be asymptomatic vectors who infect someone else either. I do believe in vaccines and vaccines are coming. So are better treatments. And right now our local hospital systems are just overwhelmed. Other diseases are also deadly, of course, but this thing is deadlier than any flu I've ever seen, and it can leave lasting effects like no flu I've ever seen. My family will sit this one out and have the party to end all parties when Covid is behind us.
 

Ellyn

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I think my family is not doing Thanksgiving this year. First year in my whole life...
We're not having a Thanksgiving dinner either, and we may not do much for Christmas as the predictions are that Covid may peak from late Decenber through January. But there is no reason in the world why families can't choose to have a fabulous Thanksgiving dinner in March or Christmas in July. We may even put the tree up in July - why not? If we all get past Covid intact we sure will have plenty to be thankful for, and as everyone who posts in this forum knows, Santa can't bring us anything that beats good health.
 

Zenak

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I certainly respect all views pertaining to Covid, especially when it comes to the elderly and those with underlying conditions that increase the chance of serious symptoms, including death. One does need to keep in mind the death rate, despite the increase of cases, continues to decline (testing has dramatically increased which partially explains this). The recent statistics have shown if under 75 or so without underlying conditions the survival rate is above 99%.

I'm not sure where you are getting your numbers for this. Of course I don't know where you live, but only a few countries have death rates near 1%. There are also 2 different metrics - in the US there are almost 79 deaths per 100,000 people. This is the more important number in determining how well the virus is being controlled. The US is near the top of the list here.

The less important metric, deaths per case, is over 2%. Either way your number is about half of the real number.

 
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