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Doc Rogue

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I remember a few years ago when the Ef D A (or D EE A?) was going to ban kratom and/ or make it Sch I across the board. There was a petition started online to sign and stop the ban. I remember signing it. I don’t remember the exact number of hundreds of thousands who signed, but I do remember that at the 11th hour they pulled back and ended up not re-scheduling it, and basically left it up to the states to regulate. Even governors, state reps and senators, and doctors were coming out against the ban. I tend to think how well it works has to do with how little or greatly your receptors are fried or intact. Or maybe it just works better for some than others, like Tram.
I’ve read first person accounts from heroin addicts to those hooked on pain meds for years kicking their habits with kratom, and then being able to stop their kratom usage. I don’t find it addicting or deal with any withdrawals to speak of either.
Me? I’ve used it in a pinch. I think @Azzamean has about the most accurate description from my experience. Better than tram, we’ll below hydro.
But decent for a lot of things.
I don’t like it’s short duration, 1-2 hours tops for me. Some strains work better for pain, some for a bit of energy boost but nothing to write home about.
I think it’s a better option for your ailments or getting your kicks than other drugs. But for someone who deals with chronic pain daily? It’s a PIA to deal with, and I get nauseous if I take more than a couple doses a day. And I take mine with O.J. (The beverage). I’ve heard the boost of Vitamin C helps process the alkaloids.
No way could I ingest the large amounts others talk about... I’d be so sick and sweaty. I can’t see how anyone works up to those amounts. I use an accurate food grade scale to accurately measure out 6-7 grams.
Oh and all the accounts I’ve read of OD’s there were other meds taken along with the kratom. Though if one were to take large amounts multiple times per day, for years on end, I could believe it being the cause of some health problems. Maybe.
It’s a pretty benign substance IMO. Especially if their source was suspect, and that we haven’t had any trials run on it being relatively new to the scene. That’s my story.
 

cattyclaw

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I've taken it several times here and there to stave off tram WDs. Helps some, gets rid of the back pain and brain crawling. Helps me sleep some.
I prefer general moderate strain if evening or morning I suggest popular maeng da green or a white strain. I have a reliable vendor too but it's pretty easy to find on a Google search. Just add the hippo word to it.

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Oh yeah, I capsule it, 00 size is best for me. The 1st time I did it I mixed in a small smoothie it was gross and hit me in 15mins. Now days, I only do 3 grams to stave off the wd.
 

ilovelucy

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Thank you for sharing @cattyclaw. I purchased some for the exact same reason but I’m concerned it won’t help the wd’s bc when I tried to take an opiate to help with the T wd it did nothing at all. I just need to summon the will power but damn it’s so hard. ????

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Waspleg222

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Kratom has been a life saver for me. If only I had known about it at 16. I’ve tried it in everything and, personally, the worst was with coffee. The absolute best for me is chocolate milk. The sweet chocolate flavor seems to overpower the kratom enough that it just tastes like a somewhat thicker chocolate milk. But I will admit, since I don’t always have chocolate milk in supply I’ll just wash it down with water. After a few days of that, I start to enjoy the taste.

About it’s effects: for me it helps with actual pain better that anything else. I broke my back in six places in a motorcycle accident a few years ago and after taking copious amounts of pain medication to try relieve that pain, I eventually switched to kratom and was very surprised how much actually helps. I’ve known people to get off heroin with it, I can use it to treat pain that could be lifelong— the stuff is awesome.
 

Radley1

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I find it to be quit effective. For me different than oxy/fent. I have a number of painful areas from a major trauma. The smaller pains are managed as least as good as opiods. The most stubborn is always there (unless I add aspirin and the right weed). I want straight from a gram of pure powder fent every 1-2 weeks via nasal sprayer. I had no withdrawal except insomnia and no appetite.
 

Lizdawn

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I bought some Kratom since I can’t get my tram & am in misery lol I hated the way it tasted so I picked up the capsul form so I have both. I’ve taken 5 today & noticed no difference. It’s the Maeng da & everyone agreed it was best they had. Each pill is .5 gram but I honestly don’t feel any change at all. Absolutely nothing at all!! I’m pretty tiny too so little nervous about taking too much. Wondering how much u guys take? I just want enough to relieve some pain from tram withdrawal. Thank u ?? everything online contradicts itself about safe dosages :)
 

dannyb

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I have not seen this mentioned. If I take Kratom power straight up (in capsules, toss and wash etc...) it will give me the worlds worst constipation! I'm talking literally shitting bricks.
I spent 8 days taking every laxative and enema I could get my hands on. I have never been so miserable!! I had never had any problems with constipation before but hole....lee.....crap
was it bad. The good news is if I make a tea out of the powder in my Mr. Coffey pot I have zero problems. I just make it like regular coffee but add some lemon juice to the water and I also run it through
twice. I sweeten it with honey to make it easier to deal with the taste. If you are going to try putting it in capsules, eat it straight up or do a toss and wash for the first time.....please, please,
please start small until you are sure it does not affect you like it does me.
 

johnathankersis88

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I take kradom to this day. It helps me with my pain and anxiety problem and I can buy it at any head shop. I can not smoke weed so this is a good alternative.
 

Doc Rogue

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I bought some Kratom since I can’t get my tram & am in misery lol I hated the way it tasted so I picked up the capsul form so I have both. I’ve taken 5 today & noticed no difference. It’s the Maeng da & everyone agreed it was best they had. Each pill is .5 gram but I honestly don’t feel any change at all. Absolutely nothing at all!! I’m pretty tiny too so little nervous about taking too much. Wondering how much u guys take? I just want enough to relieve some pain from tram withdrawal. Thank u ?? everything online contradicts itself about safe dosages :)

If you are buying at a head shop, or smoke shop, the quality and freshness of the pre-packaged kratom can be suspect or stale.
Your best bet is to buy bulk online, check out PDO Botanicals. They are a great supplier and test all their product for potency and alkaloid content.
Capsule your own so you know how much you are ingesting.
5 capsules of .5 gram is 2.5 grams, and not enough typically for any relief or noticeable effects.
For opiate naïve I’d say 3-4 grams should be a good starting point (3-4 full 00 capsules) each capsule is supposed to be a gram. If you have some tolerance, you’ll need 6-7 grams typically. YMMV.
As for which strain, Maeng Da is a good all around strain, look for red vein varieties for pain, green vein for energy boost. Hope this helps, and good luck.
 

Radley1

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I'm surprised to see few or no one saying red bourneo or red Bali. Best for WD. I am tapering from 10-12 caps (chased by a cup of coffee) after years of 1-2 powdered grams of fent every 1-2 weeks. Been 6 months off fent. I am tapering fast cuz almost out and I'm broke. 1 day at 8 caps, one at 6, now 4-5. I feel fine. I am smoking my and taking ativan though so
 

Doc Rogue

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In my post right above yours I did mention red vein varieties working best for pain, so that makes sense they would probably work best for withdrawal symptoms as well.
I never used it for withdrawal as much as I did to supplement my meds if I ran short before my next refill. Since starting a long acting Meds combined with my IR’s I haven’t run short since then. Kinda nice.
Only thing I try to order now is some DHC but I can’t seem to get an order thru as they keep getting snagged. I just want a bit more for backup supply because after trying it about 6 or 8 months back I was shocked how well it worked for my pain.
Anyway back to the Red Borneo or red vein varieties, I am blown away that it’s been enough to taper you off from the Fent. That is amazing and glad it’s working so well for you. Congrats and keep at it. You fry your receptors long enough with Fent and pretty soon you won’t have anything to manage the pain. Makes sense the kratom is working well though as it’s similar in action but different in composition. It can be an amazing med for some.
I’ve tried pretty much all the strains and just don’t find the hassle worth it for me. For others though, it can be life changing for them as it has been for you while tapering. Again, we’ll done @Radley1
 

nobknee

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@infamousryan Obviously no conclusive evidence, and probobly never will be because like all natural supplements they can't be patented, who's going to spend the $800,000,000 to get FDA approval if they can't patient it?

A patent isn't the issue with kratom getting FDA approval. Orrin Hatch is the issue with kratom getting FDA approval. Or, more specifically, the Dietary Supplements Health and Education Act, which was pushed through Congress by Hatch in the '90s because Hatch has lots of money invested in "alternative medicine," including herbals. Woo is a multi-million industry. They could afford to apply for FDA approval, but almost the entire industry is complete bullshit. Most of its products would never get FDA approval.

The DSHEA exempts edibles that are "not intended to treat, diagnose, prevent, or cure disease," even if that's plainly the ONLY reason people consume them. Instead of first having to prove its effectiveness, the DSHEA allows you to roll out a new "dietary supplement" without any safety or quality testing whatsoever, so long as you don't make any explicit claims that it can "treat, diagnose, prevent, or cure disease." *wink, wink*

I'm convinced this accounts for the huge variation in people's experiences with kratom. Even the same person might have widely different experiences taking it. Because when you buy kratom, there's nothing to say that what's actually being sold to you is kratom, or that it contains the dosage that the manufacturer claims. Technically, the DSHEA requires supplement manufacturers to label their products with an accurate ingredients list and serving size, but they're not required to prove it, and the FDA can only intervene if there's evidence the product is contaminated or harming people. So you might be getting kratom. Or you might be getting lawn clippings.

There's a very good chance kratom could get FDA approval, at least in the sense that we know mitragynine tickles the mu receptors and there's a lot of anecdotal evidence of its effectiveness for pain. It would benefit all of us to at least have quality and purity regulation of it. But the politics are another matter. The FDA is already taking it on the chin for their (entirely appropriate) approval of prescription opioids for chronic non-cancer pain. I think it'll be a long time before they stick their necks out for pain patients again.
 
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KeithDavid

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Are we allowed to recommend Kratom suppliers on here? Bc I have a really good one!

I'm not sure, but have been looking for a new vendor that has good kratom, isn't expensive and ships quick. Surprisingly the good kratom part is the hardest thing to find. Feel free to PM me @RunRunRiver. Thanks!

Thanks @RunRunRiver! I’m always interested in new places that have good quality. The hippo place mentioned is expensive compared to others. A kg shouldn’t be more than 100 imo.
 

Souljam

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Bump this thred up lol. I am so glad I found some other krat users on this forum . Ive used it for almost 2 yrs!!!! Plan to continue as long as its leagal it helps me every single day .
 

joakim46

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First time I've heard of it. But checking, I found many complaints about addiction, which is a red flag for me.
 

nobknee

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First time I've heard of it. But checking, I found many complaints about addiction, which is a red flag for me.

Any drug that stimulates the reward and reinforcement mechanisms in the brain is potentially addictive. But that doesn't mean using it is going to cause you to become addicted to it. If you have an issue with opiate-receptor agonists, then I would steer clear. Because that's how kratom works. It's basically an atypical opiate.

If you've taken opiates without any addiction issues, then it's not impossible, but I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Remember, that tolerance, dependence, and addiction are three distinct phenomena. Tolerance refers to side effects going away and/or to the need for increasing dosages over time to get the same effect (not to be confused with needing increased dosage due to worsening symptoms). Dependence means experiencing withdrawal symptoms when you abruptly stop taking a drug (not to be confused with the return of symptoms when a drug is ceased). Both of these are perfectly normal responses to a large number of drugs, many of which are not addictive.

Addiction is much more complicated. Tolerance and dependence may be present, but they may not be. It's easily confused with pseudoaddiction, especially if you're not able to control your symptoms. But a good rule of thumb: Is the drug improving your functioning? Or is it making your life worse?

If a drug is making it possible for you to work a full-time job, play with your kids, have a functioning marriage, have restful sleep at night, etc., that's probably not addiction. If your relationship to the drug is compulsive and has left you unemployed, wrecked your family, and left you in a dark basement with a needle in your arm---warning! You may very well have a problem and might want to consider being evaluated for treatment.

Is kratom addictive? Yes, potentially, but a great many useful drugs are potentially addictive. Will YOU get addicted to it? None of us can say. All I can say is kratom has been a lifesaver for a great many people in pain who are unable to get prescription pain relievers from a doctor. And among those exposed to opiates, a relatively small number become addicted (especially compared to drugs like alcohol, which have much higher rates of addiction among those exposed, about 12% for alcohol; for opiates, it's in the neighborhood of 1-4% of those exposed).

Long story short: If you can't get pain treatment and have never had a problem with compulsive use of opiates, I wouldn't let the addictive potential of kratom scare you off. If you've taken opiates successfully, kratom is not likely to cause a problem for you, because it works more or less the same way.

That said, it's excellent that you don't dismiss kratom as merely a "dietary supplement," because it's definitely a drug. Like all drugs, it can be dangerous and it can be useful. If it can help you, it can hurt you. Even nonaddictive drugs, if they can help you, they can hurt you. We should always proceed with caution and respect the power of drugs to cause harm.
 

De Large

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Kratom has saved me since Rx pain medicine became UNAVAILABLE .. I had a good PM doctor, and an Rx for a dose of tramadol that was enough to even erase my depression. They suddenly vanished though around the time hydrocodone was re-scheduled. I barely got a letter

I sat in my house for TWENTY ONE days, trying to get some sleep, thinking that the withdrawal and associated madness would eventually go away, at three weeks. It had not. So I bought some kratom. I've used five gram doses every five hours since.

There are days when I am having pain and depression, but nothing like before. I have came back here to hopefully find a safe tramadol source, because I am still very depressed. Tramadol can cure that, but I doubt I could get a prescription for it now. Doctors are even starting to limit Rx's for bullcrap ( in my opinion ) muscle relaxers like skelaxin and things like neurontin.

I really, really hate the way "the opioid epidemic" ( more bullcrap ) has made it hell on earth for people like us. In regards to kratom types and/ or colors, I can't tell a difference really. I guess I prefer whites because they seem stronger. I just want the strongest kratom I can get, so I can use less and make it last longer. All the colors and the way they don't really variate other than strength kinda confuses me. Certainly does not make me feel like an informed kratom user, when I have silly names such as they use
 

vil44

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Good stuff. I like it very much. Not nearly as effective as meds but sometimes that's all I need.
 

Denise44

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I've tried it. It was ok. Found the powder to be pretty gross, tbh!
 
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