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OP's only accepted payment methods are bitcoin, WU/MG: should I be leery?

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LeisureSuit

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Hello Everyone! I received a 2nd day mail express envelope with an advertisement for Rx’s today. Supposedly located in the US. I wouldn’t say cheap prices but reasonable. Bitcoin & WU/MG are only accepted methods of payment. There is a website that has been active for 364 days and is good until 2022. I don’t know a whole lot about the logistics of domains and such to know if that is sufficient. I can’t find any other info online. I sent an email to customer service and someone responded within a cpl hours. Supposedly ships second day air. Too good to be true? All opinions welcome!
LS
 

Mermaid10

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Hmm with some legit vendors those method of payments sound about right. With good customer service it’s possible they are safe to order from. Without the name I can’t say if I’ve tried it. Hope it’s not a scam
 

Muppetsforlife

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It's good to be waery of the possibilities of such a vendor being a scam. That being said the few hallmarks you gave check out with a vendor I have used a few years back.
Perhaps it is something you can ask more directed questions about in the senior members section?
 

heavymetalviolet

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These are turn offs for me personally. One reason is the obvious safety issue (if things go sideways and it's a scam, what protection is there for you to get money back? None really). Too, that also makes me question if they are for real or fly by night posters, and who needs that? So yeah. If they take paypal, a CC or echeck I'm down with it because that offers some layer of protection for me. (CC's can be purchased and money put on them and bank accounts can be opened just for this and not connected to primary accounts, so again if things go wrong you aren't completely cleaned out of every dime that you own). Just my .02. I've only ever been burned once and it was actually only $40, so I let it go and lesson learned. Lots of gambling in this game sometimes!
 

DoTrankimazin

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Only for spamming or sending letters and in my personal opinion violating the discretion rule all pharmacies must have that's a big down. If they were really good they don't need to send letters to promote and curiously you can only pay with methods of payment that are great for them and very bad for you. Do they have an office you can visit and pay in cash? Of course no. Well, I would never buy if I were you, but of course some people will pay 50 or 60 dollars "to try" and then often they will try to call you with a magic offer like if you pay 200 more we will send you 1923029 pills more!
 

heavymetalviolet

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Only for spamming or sending letters and in my personal opinion violating the discretion rule all pharmacies must have that's a big down. If they were really good they don't need to send letters to promote and curiously you can only pay with methods of payment that are great for them and very bad for you. Do they have an office you can visit and pay in cash? Of course no. Well, I would never buy if I were you, but of course some people will pay 50 or 60 dollars "to try" and then often they will try to call you with a magic offer like if you pay 200 more we will send you 1923029 pills more!
That used to be HUGE on Reddit. People would post with pics of things, and would offer "trial" and "sample" packs for $50 or $60, payable in Amazon gift cards, of course. Good luck with those...you'd do better taking your cash outside and lighting it on fire.
 

Gullible

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Lets look at the other side of the situation. Vendors that take cc's, paypal or personal checks get a lot of chargebacks from scammy customers. Also you as a customer are letting others know you order illegal stuff. Its not likely you will be arrested for that but its possible. Or you might be put on a list and be spied on. That seems to be the modern way, put you on a list you can never get off of or know who saw the list.

The thing to do is check out carefully the rep of the seller. The modern trend is toward crypto payment which protects your identity and the vendor knows he will get paid. There are sites which provide escrow service and you release funds when you get the goods. Of course the site itself might be scamming so check out their rep as well.
 

Kovalainen

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Of course, but when you go to the supermarket they also have that chargebacks and that % included in the price. I have paid with my CC and no one knows what did I buy, as a serious vendor will never operate with a public facturation face of pharmacy, but with other stuff, the same as X pages or sex-shops do when you buy from them, just to protect the privacy so no one can knows what you bought, not even your bank, because they use a third company in the middle.

Crypto it's the future but a good vendor will always try to help you at least during first orders. If they reject a customer because they can't find a way to accept let's say your first order only with CC it's a huge warning signal. Seeing their reaction to your questions and if they spend time and effort to try and please you, you will also learn a lot. A scammer site will not dedicate you too much time or they will ignore you if you ask for a small test order and pay with Skrill or Paypal while an honest vendor will do it because they have the product and they want a possible customer for years.
 

heavymetalviolet

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Of course, but when you go to the supermarket they also have that chargebacks and that % included in the price. I have paid with my CC and no one knows what did I buy, as a serious vendor will never operate with a public facturation face of pharmacy, but with other stuff, the same as X pages or sex-shops do when you buy from them, just to protect the privacy so no one can knows what you bought, not even your bank, because they use a third company in the middle.

Crypto it's the future but a good vendor will always try to help you at least during first orders. If they reject a customer because they can't find a way to accept let's say your first order only with CC it's a huge warning signal. Seeing their reaction to your questions and if they spend time and effort to try and please you, you will also learn a lot. A scammer site will not dedicate you too much time or they will ignore you if you ask for a small test order and pay with Skrill or Paypal while an honest vendor will do it because they have the product and they want a possible customer for years.
This. Most legit vendors want as much stealth as we do (reasons obvious) but they also want to be paid, and accepting a wide variety of methods (echeck, Paypal, cred card, BTC, etc) show a bit more solid establishing than, say, some random who puts up an ad on Reddit or Topix telling you to send him a Western Union or Amazon gift card. Say goodbye to that cash AND the order (which probably never even existed). Also, some of the vendors I've used have ways of making this happen, as you referenced. I worked in an adult video store at one time and the receipt NEVER indicated what kind of shop it was, just something like "ABC Sales" and a product number. Same for my vendor. My most recent order from one I use, for instance, was listed as a different type of item and order (I don't want to get too specific), but anyone checking would not have questioned it because it looked much as a product of that sort would. So there's ways to make it happen. But like with Medstore lately, where they suddenly went through a phase of accepting only BTC or AmEx, that's not a good sign, especially if they aren't willing to work with you. Most vendors will go above and beyond to make things work especially the first time out because it will keep you coming back, and back, and back. The Western Union guy is liable to send nothing at all or pressed chalk as benzo's. Meh.
 

heavymetalviolet

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If a vendor is honest with me, I will treat him/her with same level of respect. Never done a chargeback; it is a risk we all take.
Should be some level(s) of separation.
jmho
I've never done one either, not even for the one who legit did rip me off. I took it as a lesson learned and moved on. Most of the ones I have dealt with have been straightforward and deliver, and I appreciate it, so I continue to patronize them.
 

MikeSiffr

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i'll never use bitcoins to pay again unless the trust it's close to a family member or my best friend. i was naive and silly and when i tried to report to someone i was scammed the answer was almost like i will never recover my money and if i go to police they may close that webpage in my country but who cares when they have 2000 sites. bitcoin sound like fashion but not a goldmine like those invest 200 dollars ads, sit and bitcoinmegaextraappmagic will turn them into 40000 in 1 week. but i wasn't aware the problems for buyers, so always get well info or stay where you are
 

Mermaid10

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Zelle is one I’ve been scammed with. Wu/mg I’ve had reliable vendors ask for that form of payment. If you’ve ordered before there’s a comfort level, but making that first order wondering if your are throwing your money out is tough I understand !
 

CharlyOcon

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Always making a first order it's scary, usually it's better to contact and ask for a sample of the medication and if the vendor agrees to send it and you pay the shipping cost. This way you assure the vendor really has medicines and if he takes that work to gain a future customer usually it's a good signal. But like on a Casino, only put what you can lose.
 

LeisureSuit

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Thank you to each and every one of you for your invaluable opinions. It’s given me a great deal to think about. IF I decide to do anything at, I will request a sample and gauge the response I get. Thanks all of you guys!!! Hope you had a great weekend!
Ls
 

oceanfiresky

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I'm comfortable using Bitcoin in certain circumstances, but at some point was banned for life from using Moneygram. I'm guessing one of the people I sent to was flagged and I got caught in the crosshairs. I have used it a few times since with a fake name and address but that's super risky since you have no recourse if the money never makes it to the sender. I would only use these methods if the vendor was vetted by folks on this board though.
 

LeisureSuit

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Thank you to each and every one of you for your invaluable opinions. It’s given me a great deal to think about. IF I decide to do anything at, I will request a sample and gauge the response I get. Thanks all of you guys!!! Hope you had a great weekend!
Ls
I suggested a few samples and vendor agreed. May take a chance with a small purchase if samples arrive and are of good quality. I’ll be sure to update.
Thanks agai everyone!
LS
 
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