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Maskell

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I think writing politicians & health authorities is a great place to start...

Sadly, it's hard to imagine that individuals or even grass-roots pressure-groups could impact drug policy when even Big Pharma has failed to prevent the new limits on prescribing. Heaven knows, it's not often that Big Pharma is on our side, but from 2006 to 2015 they spent more than $880 million nationwide on lobbying and campaign contributions - more than 200 times what was spent by those advocating for stricter policies.

Even "astroturf" pressure-groups like the Pain Care Forum (which is actually a front for Big Pharma) have failed to make much impact. The question, of course, is why Big Pharma has failed to get the limitations relaxed when the one thing that usually motivates politicians above all else is money.

The answer seems to be that, as jaders pointed out, the hysteria and genuine public concern over the opioid epidemic means that politicians have to be seen to be doing something, and the strategy that most seem to favour is replacing demonised products like Oxycontin with a new family of "abuse-deterrent" products that will "make certain types of abuse, such as crushing in order to snort or dissolving in order to inject, more difficult or less rewarding" while still allowing Big Pharma to rake in the big bucks.

Abuse-deterrent drugs are by no means impossible to abuse and they won't prevent prevent addiction, overdose, or death. Their main appeal seems to be the puritan hope that even if some users continue to abuse the drugs, they'll certainly have a lot less fun doing so.

The article: Politics of Pain: Drugmakers Fought State Opioid Limits Amid Crisis, from which all the facts and quotations in this post are taken, goes into the matter in more depth.
 

Cassius Star

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I’m fairly new to all of this-I only take tramadol. I take it for my pain & depression. I have to have it-no question there lol. But like many others, doc kept lowering dosage and wants me to no longer take it everyday :mad: He says he fears the DEA will come after him (for tramadol lmao)! Sooo, here we are lol. Question is—what can we do? Who can we write to? There has to be something-I’m sick of doing nothing & letting people live in misery because docs are scared to prescribe. I have a friend who is a prof teacher w/ me (not a drug addict-not even questionably) recently diagnosed w/ cancer & his doc is leaving him in miserable pain & only gives him two 5mg a day. He doesn’t even have long to live. It’s sickening watching as the little time he has left, is in misery unless he finds a way to get his meds (illegally tho)! He shouldn’t have to live like this w/ the constant struggle & fear of trouble! We all shouldn’t have to. I guess we can start by being educated on who we vote for etc lol but other than that—what can we do?? Good peeps like us just trying to live, should be more impo than this fear of drug addicts abusing their meds. They choose this! We don’t chose pain/ depression :( we have absolutely no quality of life when we live in constant pain. If I was a doc my patients living in pain would be much more impo to me. & we don’t deserve to live our lives in fear struggling to get our meds, then scared feeling like a criminal for it!! It’s crazy. There has to be something we can do....any suggestions??
I'm sorry your friend was diagnosed with Cancer. I can't believe the doctor is only providing him with such a small dosage for his pain meds though. If he doesn't have long to live, I don't see why they wouldn't up the dosage at the very least. If anything, maybe he should try a different doctor. I've switched a few doctors over the years because of poor treatment or just not liking their methods.
 

Hightide

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I was doing really well under the care of a psychiatrist for about a decade. the other doctors and pain specialists had driven me mad quite literally. But the gov't crackdown forced him to give up writing pain meds, and the only clinic in my insurance plan forced me to less than 10% of my prior use. The last straw was when they refused to continue even that paltry amount unless I quit taking the valium also. I tried for several months but I had no idea how much the 5 mg 2x a day helped. Without it I couldn't continue on the dose of meds they had me on. Out of desperation I joined a recovery group to obtain methadone. It's such a hassle! Every single day having to go to the clinic. But there really wasn't any more choices for me, I had resorted to snorting heroin in combination with my prescription just to get through the month.
 

marymary

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I was doing really well under the care of a psychiatrist for about a decade. the other doctors and pain specialists had driven me mad quite literally. But the gov't crackdown forced him to give up writing pain meds, and the only clinic in my insurance plan forced me to less than 10% of my prior use. The last straw was when they refused to continue even that paltry amount unless I quit taking the valium also. I tried for several months but I had no idea how much the 5 mg 2x a day helped. Without it I couldn't continue on the dose of meds they had me on. Out of desperation I joined a recovery group to obtain methadone. It's such a hassle! Every single day having to go to the clinic. But there really wasn't any more choices for me, I had resorted to snorting heroin in combination with my prescription just to get through the month.
If your doctor writes on the prescription that it's ok for you to take both medications, the pharmacist can override the insurance warning and streamline the process. If you can find a doctor to write both. Do I get attitude from the "girls" in the pharmacy, you betcha, but I don't care. I show up anyway and their assumptions about me be damned. Good luck.
 

PaisleyDaisy

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Totally agree with all the points people are making here. This “war on drugs” is a huge waste of time on every level. It does nothing to help with addiction problems, it violates some very basic liberties, it is a huge waste of financial and law enforcement resources, and perhaps worst of all, it leaves a lot of people suffering in terrible pain.

When people are cut off from the relatively safer pharmaceuticals, they resort to things like fentanyl, which is inconsistent and dangerous to dose, and so people get it wrong, overdose and die.

The better approach to drug issues these days is called harm reduction. It is just recognizing that people are going to use the drugs they see fit to use whether other people like it or not. So then what you do is provide the safest, most livable option. The Drug Policy Alliance is fighting to legitimize this approach. http://www.drugpolicy.org/

I have not ordered anything from overseas in months, because the current anti drug rhetoric has gotten so over the top, I’m terrified of the consequences.

If you need opiate pain relief that is similar to tramadol, you might try kratom. It is legal in most places and you can easily buy it it on the internet. It usually comes in the form of powdered leaves. If you can stand the taste, you can make a tea with it. If you can’t (I can’t), you can use capsules or oblate disks, which are rice papers that you wrap the powder in and swallow. You can get them on Amazon. Some places will sell capsules (Krabot is one company) or you can buy a capsule filler on Amazon and make your own.

The most important thing about kratom is that you get it from a vendor that has good quality control. They should say somewhere on their site that they test each batch for bacterial contamination and metal content. Since it is a plant, there is a risk of e.coli or salmonella, and since the hostile FDA wants to ban it, they do not inspect it like they do for other produce. Also, it comes from Indonesia, so if it is ground before shipping, the machinery used by the impoverished farmers there may be old, so there is a chance for metal contamination. But a good vendor will check for these things and issue a certificate for every batch. Some vendor names I trust: KratomEye, Herbaldom, Phytoextractum. And there are many others if you Google for them.

Kratom has a mild propensity to cause dependence, but nothing like the stronger opiates. It has become quite popular with people who are overcoming addictions to other things. It even has a lobbying group, “The American Kratom Association,” who have been somewhat successful in beating back attempts to criminalize it. I sure hope they can keep it legal.
 

Bawston

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Hi All, I’ve been out of action here due to the joy of helping to take care of my first grandson❤️ I do need to catch up on all of the discussions but of course most of you know how near and dear this particular issue is to me. I’ve chosen to live with the pain I’ve had for decades rather than subject myself to the humiliation of required office visits and urine tests. As mentioned above, I think many of you are familiar with the Pain News Network which features the latest developments on where we all stand. This particular article is about the unnecessary and inhumane practice of forced tapering for stable pain patients. For the full article...


An short snippet...

Stanford pain psychologist Beth Darnall, PhD, calls forced tapering a “large-scale social and medical experiment” being conducted without sufficient evidence on how to do it the right way.

“You may have a patient that has been on a stable dose of opioids for 10 years, and then you start de-prescribing. We are now exposing them to new risks for opioid overdose, for suicidality, for actual suicide, for withdrawal symptoms, for increased pain,” Darnall told The Guardian.
 

jeopardyfan

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I had my doctor prescribe me tramadol in 1998 and say it was not addictive, she gave me 400 mg day- now I have to pull teeth to get 100 mg per day prescribed, and her latest thing is when I go in for my 3 month visit, she writes a 2 week supply. I don't like having to call back, so I don't. I order overseas and just get my 2 week supply every 3 months. But I am thinking of calling in tomorrow, it is better to have an active perscprition in case anything happens, or for international travel etc. Not that the US passport is worth anything anymore..but I digress.
 

Bawston

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I had my doctor prescribe me tramadol in 1998 and say it was not addictive, she gave me 400 mg day- now I have to pull teeth to get 100 mg per day prescribed, and her latest thing is when I go in for my 3 month visit, she writes a 2 week supply. I don't like having to call back, so I don't. I order overseas and just get my 2 week supply every 3 months. But I am thinking of calling in tomorrow, it is better to have an active perscprition in case anything happens, or for international travel etc. Not that the US passport is worth anything anymore..but I digress.

First of all, I too was prescribe Tramadol many years ago because they said it was absolutely not addictive and you had to go through the steps of trying each “lower level” pain med before being prescribed effective medication. It never helped me at all and Since it wasn’t supposed to be addictive, I just stopped. Can’t say that I had any adverse reaction but then again, I wasn’t on it long.

I agree with you on making sure you have an up to date prescription from your doctor. I do the same with fioricet. If I should ever have a drug test, which they often do before surgery, you want to be able to explain what’s in your system. Also, many hospitals do an automatic drug screen for everyone who comes in at night.
 

jeopardyfan

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I had my doctor prescribe me tramadol in 1998 and say it was not addictive, she gave me 400 mg day- now I have to pull teeth to get 100 mg per day prescribed, and her latest thing is when I go in for my 3 month visit, she writes a 2 week supply. I don't like having to call back, so I don't. I order overseas and just get my 2 week supply every 3 months. But I am thinking of calling in tomorrow, it is better to have an active perscprition in case anything happens, or for international travel etc. Not that the US passport is worth anything anymore..but I digress.

First of all, I too was prescribe Tramadol many years ago because they said it was absolutely not addictive and you had to go through the steps of trying each “lower level” pain med before being prescribed effective medication. It never helped me at all and Since it wasn’t supposed to be addictive, I just stopped. Can’t say that I had any adverse reaction but then again, I wasn’t on it long.

I agree with you on making sure you have an up to date prescription from your doctor. I do the same with fioricet. If I should ever have a drug test, which they often do before surgery, you want to be able to explain what’s in your system. Also, many hospitals do an automatic drug screen for everyone who comes in at night.
That is the hard part as this doctor is such a pain in my ass. But at least if I have this actual prescription I should be fine. I did watched Border Patrol and that scared me, lol. some lady had no script. You can't go thru customs like that. Not that, as a person with a US passport, I'm going thru customs any time soon!
 

infamousryan

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im surprised that within all of these replies nobody mentioned finding a social worker and having him advocate to your doctor on your behalf. good social workers do this, get you into appointments early, and more.
 

infamousryan

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I had my doctor prescribe me tramadol in 1998 and say it was not addictive, she gave me 400 mg day- now I have to pull teeth to get 100 mg per day prescribed, and her latest thing is when I go in for my 3 month visit, she writes a 2 week supply. I don't like having to call back, so I don't. I order overseas and just get my 2 week supply every 3 months. But I am thinking of calling in tomorrow, it is better to have an active perscprition in case anything happens, or for international travel etc. Not that the US passport is worth anything anymore..but I digress.

First of all, I too was prescribe Tramadol many years ago because they said it was absolutely not addictive and you had to go through the steps of trying each “lower level” pain med before being prescribed effective medication. It never helped me at all and Since it wasn’t supposed to be addictive, I just stopped. Can’t say that I had any adverse reaction but then again, I wasn’t on it long.

I agree with you on making sure you have an up to date prescription from your doctor. I do the same with fioricet. If I should ever have a drug test, which they often do before surgery, you want to be able to explain what’s in your system. Also, many hospitals do an automatic drug screen for everyone who comes in at night.
ive been to the emergencyroom a million times, before and after the opioid epidemic, ive never one time been urine tested. ive even been rx'd while being on suboxone

being in the hospital and going through the emergencyroom are two different things though .

kinda weird IMO
 

Earthdog

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I fractured my ankle recently - I was told to take advil and ice. They (Urgent Care) put me in a temporary cast on crutches. They said staying off of it will help with the pain. 4 weeks late I'm in a walking cast and still taking advil.
 

marymary

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It's maddening to think that everyone who needs pain relief is lumped into a drug seeker pool. Recently had an issue, not with the doctor but with the pharmacy. It was a scary wake up call. The news about opiates is so misleading, the deaths are almost exclusively from Chinese fentanyl and not from properly prescribed medications. IMO.
 

Alexander De Large

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The last time I had any peace in my life, the last time I had time without depression was when I was getting tramadol from a pain management doctor. They vanished right before or after the big hydrocodone panic

I hate the war on drugs. It's ruined my life from multiple angles. I am very thankful kratom is around, I don't think the kratom I have is very good quality though. I'm horrible about finding good kratom vendors

I would give anything to have tramadol to take. It's chiefly the reason why I am here. My life is nothing but misery, I absolutely don't want to wake up in the morning, and have very little ( seemingly ) to live for

tramadol at a proper dose lifts this deppresion, but screw me right? Gosh! that stuff's addictive! can't have me addicted to anything *spits on ground*
 

nobknee

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The last time I had any peace in my life, the last time I had time without depression was when I was getting tramadol from a pain management doctor. They vanished right before or after the big hydrocodone panic

I hate the war on drugs. It's ruined my life from multiple angles. I am very thankful kratom is around, I don't think the kratom I have is very good quality though. I'm horrible about finding good kratom vendors

I would give anything to have tramadol to take. It's chiefly the reason why I am here. My life is nothing but misery, I absolutely don't want to wake up in the morning, and have very little ( seemingly ) to live for

tramadol at a proper dose lifts this deppresion, but screw me right? Gosh! that stuff's addictive! can't have me addicted to anything *spits on ground*

We don't really have a "hug" emoji. That was the closest I could find. I hear you. You're in the right place though. I was abandoned by my doctor too. But, y'know, now I'm free, and in some ways I prefer it. I have a lot less anxiety and low self-esteem from being treated like shit by the medical system. And I spend so much less time THINKING about my treatment!

Just make your 60 posts on here as quickly as you can and get to the senior section, and you'll be able to get your treatment back on track. It seems to take forever, but people understand why you're making a bunch of posts. Just find threads that interest you and reply like crazy until you get to 60 posts so you can get to the senior section.
 

jakemoe

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The last time I had any peace in my life, the last time I had time without depression was when I was getting tramadol from a pain management doctor. They vanished right before or after the big hydrocodone panic

I hate the war on drugs. It's ruined my life from multiple angles. I am very thankful kratom is around, I don't think the kratom I have is very good quality though. I'm horrible about finding good kratom vendors

I would give anything to have tramadol to take. It's chiefly the reason why I am here. My life is nothing but misery, I absolutely don't want to wake up in the morning, and have very little ( seemingly ) to live for

tramadol at a proper dose lifts this deppresion, but screw me right? Gosh! that stuff's addictive! can't have me addicted to anything *spits on ground*
I'm really sorry you're so unhappy @De Large. I hope you can hang in there with us and get senior status which I'm hoping will help you in your pursuit to having tramadol. Peace 🌈
 

Alexander De Large

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I'll get there. Thanks for the responses. I actually have always been a discussion board hound and a writer if I choose to be. Not as much as some, but I was an original poppies.org member. Those really were the golden days. That and the NROP times. I can't get over how much I used to have it made and didn't know it. Was "miserable" anyway.

If I could get 180 or so tramadol a month, I would be set. I really hope that the vendors have stealth options, and mail from within the US. I've had some trouble with USPS opening my mail as I used to have spore prints of all sorts ( spores are not illegal )

Someone inevitably got my name wrong, or something tipped the postal inspector off, and they opened both mine and some of my relatives mail for *years* , it was so violating. Sometimes ripping the envelopes in half and just leaving it, delivering it that way. I really don't like the USPS

I have enough stories to tell, I have years of experience, insight and other things I can contribute. I just have to remember to make myself spend an hour or so on here a day. I have a routine, bottle feeding a kitten, taking care of a high maintance dog. I am spread thin
 

Seychelle

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The last time I had any peace in my life, the last time I had time without depression was when I was getting tramadol from a pain management doctor. They vanished right before or after the big hydrocodone panic

I hate the war on drugs. It's ruined my life from multiple angles. I am very thankful kratom is around, I don't think the kratom I have is very good quality though. I'm horrible about finding good kratom vendors

I would give anything to have tramadol to take. It's chiefly the reason why I am here. My life is nothing but misery, I absolutely don't want to wake up in the morning, and have very little ( seemingly ) to live for

tramadol at a proper dose lifts this deppresion, but screw me right? Gosh! that stuff's addictive! can't have me addicted to anything *spits on ground*

We don't really have a "hug" emoji. That was the closest I could find. I hear you. You're in the right place though. I was abandoned by my doctor too. But, y'know, now I'm free, and in some ways I prefer it. I have a lot less anxiety and low self-esteem from being treated like shit by the medical system. And I spend so much less time THINKING about my treatment!

Just make your 60 posts on here as quickly as you can and get to the senior section, and you'll be able to get your treatment back on track. It seems to take forever, but people understand why you're making a bunch of posts. Just find threads that interest you and reply like crazy until you get to 60 posts so you can get to the senior section.

Hi @De Large
Could always join the folks in song game
Fun way to spend time and earn points:cool:
 

trueblue

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It has become absurd. What is even more absurd is that the crackdown was put in place years after the "epidemic" was already trending the other way. Typical.
 
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