@pinkflower Thank you. I just feel odd posting about sports or travel when I have this thing about OT discussions in other forums. Will give it try though. Just hate being a hypocrit but if those are the site's rules and I'm following them then...
@Bhoto Ah Bgoto? I was specifically asking about the difference between aplrz and xanx. I thought that was a legitimate question. The fact that you had to tell about the distinction between the two should give you a clue as to how little I know and why I come here for answers. It's not like I can go to my PC who is into yoga and meditation. Wasn't asking for websites. When looking for vendors wouldn't it be helpful to know what products to look for? ie should I search for xanx or alprz? You seem to have had experience with one or the other or both and I was asking for your input, not a dress down.@Bgoto "
Bgota said:' Keep posting, keep reading. You asked for a bettter concrete plan so i gave you one. In your original post I believe you said your said you were looking for alpraz. Bz wd's are serious biz they are much worse than op wd's. You don't sound quite desperate yet anyway so I don't know if you've ever experienced wd's. I've been hospitalized several times for it. Alpraz is a short half life bzo as compared to other bzo's like valium. Just in case you do end up in a real bind you might want to start reading up on the Ashton method and learning more about what your're taking too."
Am looking for xanx and the kind that I have is alprz. Is that a different or specific kind of xan? You talked about wd's bad for alprz. Would that be same or different than xanx wd's. It's something I haven't thought much about because I take a small amount and just to sleep which wouldn't happen without them.
Am here for answers, input and advice. Please be patient with those of us who are not as experienced and knowledgeble or are jumping back in after being out of the loop for a whil
In my experience giftcards don't work for this type of purchase. You can't go international with them.I agree you can find some people and sites able to send Xanax without using a crypto and yes Paypal, Giftcards, Bank Transfer or other options. Depends also on where do you live, I know that most vendors are refusing to send to US because of the massive control right now.
No. It's the exact same thing. Xanax gives you heart problems during wds. Excess salivation, insomnia etc. It's a bitch.@Bgoto "
Bgota said:' Keep posting, keep reading. You asked for a bettter concrete plan so i gave you one. In your original post I believe you said your said you were looking for alpraz. Bz wd's are serious biz they are much worse than op wd's. You don't sound quite desperate yet anyway so I don't know if you've ever experienced wd's. I've been hospitalized several times for it. Alpraz is a short half life bzo as compared to other bzo's like valium. Just in case you do end up in a real bind you might want to start reading up on the Ashton method and learning more about what your're taking too."
Am looking for xanx and the kind that I have is alprz. Is that a different or specific kind of xan? You talked about wd's bad for alprz. Would that be same or different than xanx wd's. It's something I haven't thought much about because I take a small amount and just to sleep which wouldn't happen without them.
@10 years after - thanks. wasn't sure if they were the same or name. Was going to decrease my dose bcz waiting for orders but maybe for wd's now too. Thanks.No. It's the exact same thing. Xanax gives you heart problems during wds. Excess salivation, insomnia etc. It's a bitch.@Bgoto "
Bgota said:' Keep posting, keep reading. You asked for a bettter concrete plan so i gave you one. In your original post I believe you said your said you were looking for alpraz. Bz wd's are serious biz they are much worse than op wd's. You don't sound quite desperate yet anyway so I don't know if you've ever experienced wd's. I've been hospitalized several times for it. Alpraz is a short half life bzo as compared to other bzo's like valium. Just in case you do end up in a real bind you might want to start reading up on the Ashton method and learning more about what your're taking too."
Am looking for xanx and the kind that I have is alprz. Is that a different or specific kind of xan? You talked about wd's bad for alprz. Would that be same or different than xanx wd's. It's something I haven't thought much about because I take a small amount and just to sleep which wouldn't happen without them.
I don't know guys but some of the bad docs I've seen have prescribed stuff in dosages that were contra indicared by other conditions clearly documented in my my medical records.@jaders@jaders Not that I think young people should suffer, as that would be extremely hypocritical, but I could almost understand if they said no more benzos, or no more opiate PK’s for people under, say 21, that never had them at all. But I have responsibly used both for many decades. Without them, my quality of life is garbage, but I have to be told “sorry, we are not allowed to write those anymore!” Absolutely disgusting.
EXACTLY! I totally agree with you that we don’t want kids to suffer, but how we are letting kids behavior dictate the whole approach seems insa really. The whole Ryan Haight act was over a pretty young kid od’ing , wasn’t it?
And just like my driving analogy, young folks are the most likely to get in car accidents due to driving stupidly. They are also more likely to die from using drugs stupidly. I think you’re right that docs should be fairly strict with handing out those meds to younger folks. But it sounds like you’ve experienced, and I’ve certainly seen it over and over again, folks who have used a medicine for YEARS without escalating the dose or running off into heroin-land, being forced to taper against their will. The damn CDC came out after the initial hysteria and said they never intended for doctors to do that, but I think the DEA loved running around threatening doctors. And a lot of doctors seem so clueless when it comes to the “medicine” side of their practice anyway.
When they started having folks sign those contracts about understanding that you’re taking a possibly addictive medicine- ok. But THAT should’ve been as far as it went. The rest of it is on US, the patient. What we do with a doctors medicine is now our responsibility, and no one else’s, imho.
You pretty much summed it up perfectly! I am sure they loved terrorizing Docs, by walking in with a printout, basically saying “we are watching you, and EVERY single script you write.” And you are absolutely right, the kid that the RH act was named after, was a teen, I think, and was irresponsibly ordering, mixing, and took too much. I also think that the docs like the cover it gives them. They have to be worried about getting sued (thanks lawyers) if anyone mixes their prescription meds with even just alcohol, and something bad happens.
We should be able to sign an airtight release, saying that we cannot hold them responsible, so JUST GIVE ME MY MEDS!
Yep. That’s probably the crux of it. If doctors couldn’t be held responsible, they would be much more likely to care more about the patient instead of just covering their azz...
And no one ever died taking the recommended dose of a medicine (unless it was a freak reaction or they added other
things .). I remember reading about a methadone patient in my state who went in for a surgery. She didn’t tell the surgeon she was on ‘done, and he gave her 50 oxys. She took enough of them at home that night and died. Her dad was screaming - they gave her a loaded gun!!! Fuk dat!! That was ALL her doing. I’m very sorry she died but absolutely NO ONE ELSE is to blame for what happened. But those are the stories that cause all this horsesh*t. 🤬
The incident about the girl on methadone sounds hinky to me. Sounds more like just plain incompetent medical practice to me. If you have surgery they have you take all kinds of tests before the procedure itself especially if the have to use anesthesia....so the 'but you didn't tell us' line is just pure bs. To me its just pure incompetence plain and simple. These incomps really sicken me... and they do everything they can to cover up their own scew ups and they cover for each other like crooked police officers.
@pinkflower Thank you. I just feel odd posting about sports or travel when I have this thing about OT discussions in other forums. Will give it try though. Just hate being a hypocrit but if those are the site's rules and I'm following them then...
@jaders - I don't have a chemistry or pharmaceutical background and I admittedly know very little about the names of drugs--generic etc. I do know that I was given a small amt of xan many years ago by a friend because of sleep deprivation. It worked. I didn't go out immediately and dr shop or look on black market. I tried OTC sleep meds and woke up drowsy with a hangover type headache. I was in a fog all day. I tried other drugs including valium which didn't work. .25mg of xan works on me which is why I take it. So by your standards, I have done the work by trying other meds and finding one that works for me. It is getting harder to find and I am here sharing my experiences of those difficulties and hoping to hear from others who are in the same boat. And yes, having our packages seized is more than infuriating. Hoping this is just a post COVID slowdown and not a sustained government crackdown.
I tried my old and now retired PC many years ago. She wanted to go over my sleep habits, sleep apnea, diet yadda yadda. I tried to explain that I had tried all of that and OTC meds and was way past yoga and deep breathing. She wasn't budging on script. I avoid my PC. They are more interested in asking me if I have guns in the house and if I feel safe than they are about my actual health. I'm not averse to trying another apam but what I have works. I let my PC take care of my ear infections which I get just about every time I fly and I take care of my sleep issue which they like to avoid. Think they are all afraid of being put on a blacklist.@jaders - I don't have a chemistry or pharmaceutical background and I admittedly know very little about the names of drugs--generic etc. I do know that I was given a small amt of xan many years ago by a friend because of sleep deprivation. It worked. I didn't go out immediately and dr shop or look on black market. I tried OTC sleep meds and woke up drowsy with a hangover type headache. I was in a fog all day. I tried other drugs including valium which didn't work. .25mg of xan works on me which is why I take it. So by your standards, I have done the work by trying other meds and finding one that works for me. It is getting harder to find and I am here sharing my experiences of those difficulties and hoping to hear from others who are in the same boat. And yes, having our packages seized is more than infuriating. Hoping this is just a post COVID slowdown and not a sustained government crackdown.
I completely understand your desire to take the medicine that you found that works for you. Have you tried explaining this whole thing to your doctor? That you found .25 Xanax helps your sleep and is the only one that seems to work without side effects? (Just trying to help you find a way to avoid the whole IOP stuff.) Sometimes being honest with a doctor can surprise you. I had a friend just tell her back doctor that she was buying meds online and he actually gave her a valid script! 😱
I actually help supply a 75 yr old friend of mine to get her the exact same item you take, and she takes the exact same dose. We just tried switching her over to clonazepam as that’s easier to find and also doctors are more likely to give that out too. Any of the benzodiazepines are usually good for sleep altho Xanax seems to be the fastest acting. You can find a lot of the different “azapams” all over, hopefully.
It is completely ridiculous that this med should be so difficult to get prescribed - especially at the dose you’re talking about. And yes, I too am waiting to see if the reports of seizures and slowdowns are just temporary... sure hope so.
Think we both need a new PC. I'm not looking for a 90s Dr Feelgood running a bogus pain clinic. Just a dr that will listen to me and not worry about checking the boxes on that damn Obamacare questionnaire. Patient care is now about quotas, statistics, seeing more patients in less time and making sure they are off radar for writing scripts--even if the patient needs it.@mallaidh its just friggin bad medical practice I will do just about everything to avoid my PC, nice guy he seems to be but I just can't let go of the fact thay my cancer would have been much worse if I had gone along with his suggestion to wait two more years. He's just a bad [email protected]
XACTLY these doctors are just checking the boxes, meeting the goals, quotas set by their overlords...they just don't really care...it goes far beyond script writing too, but it's mostly about seeing more patients less time and simply generating revenue......Think we both need a new PC. I'm not looking for a 90s Dr Feelgood running a bogus pain clinic. Just a dr that will listen to me and not worry about checking the boxes on that damn Obamacare questionnaire. Patient care is now about quotas, statistics, seeing more patients in less time and making sure they are off radar for writing scripts--even if the patient needs it.@mallaidh its just friggin bad medical practice I will do just about everything to avoid my PC, nice guy he seems to be but I just can't let go of the fact thay my cancer would have been much worse if I had gone along with his suggestion to wait two more years. He's just a bad [email protected]
very kind, as always @Mecha @pinkflower ... you too...@mallaidh @pinkflower gave you the greatest tip we have here. Get yourself to the senior member status. Make some relevant posts and some fun posts. Senior Members are not allow to pass on any senior section sources to you and I know that is not what your asking for. The senior section will help with your quest. You will have a hard time in the general section. The general section gives hints but you don’t know if the information is solid if you can figure out what that information is. Also be careful receiving PMs from people, they may not have your best interest at heart. Again, good luck. M
"vegemite sandwich" there's no living that down right? in defense your band (Australia or conversely the well known suburb, strike that. the separate but equal new zealand~ had the band and suspect somebody from 1 of the 2 wrote the lyrics. which run through my little bitty brain an inordinate amount of time given it was the 80's. as the wise men say nothing good comes, whoa strike that. nothing good could possibly come from that.
as you see i'm on board with sourcing strictly."I sound like a suck-up" well, let's see. if you post like..., you're probably... well i'll never. of all the people i never thought you would have walked that plank. but, there you go.
"this forum isn't just for sourcing" not?
damn. maybe there should be a disclaimer in parentheses "it ain't necessarily so"
f*cking easy and I cry a lot. imagine me and you should be up and scrubbing the tub~ in no time thinking jeez that boy has a rough row to hoe. better him than me. see, better already.
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