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dinger

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@Chancer I started out on codeine phospate 60MG tablets.. i can remember it being a little shity when i was on using it.
Then i moved over to D.H.C 30mg x 8 for 4 years then become tolerant..Then Mr bupe came along I can Remember
When started on it which was called " butrans" the started out on 10mcg and did not feel anything..Then they moved
Up to 20mcg..I can remember saying to chemist that " DHC" was not painkiller!! compared to buprenorphine!! That is how
Much of diffrence it felt... But i have been getting a lot of upset belly on daily basis..and may have to come off bup and change
To another opioid....I get on better with the longer acting versions....
 

Chancer

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@dinger The difference between Oxy and Morphine is Oxy doesn't give you the drowsiness that Morphine does. It has something that seems to counteract that. When I need to do something productive/active I use the Oxy but the SR constantly caused awful side effects for me.

Incidentally, one of the first pain meds I had after an accident decades ago was DH118, they came in 30mg IR or 60mg SR and I didn't have any adverse reactions. I think age might play a part. However, even cough medicine that contains codeine has adverse reactions to me (Not too serious but unpleasant).

My GP was brilliant and let me try the whole spectrum of pain meds hoping to avoid Oxy side effects, DF's, Tramadol, Codeine etc etc. It was just a fluke that Thialand doesn't have a licence for Oxy so I had to change to the equivalent in Morphine. So when I returned to the UK thats how I found the regime that works for me. When my pain is at its worst the Oxy helps much more than the Morphine.

Addendum; Avoid Zomorph, they are awful and don't work at all. Aim for some other type. Not all Morphine is created equal.
 

phatboy

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@Chancer i like the morphine and oxy combo as well

cuz i noticed that if u got real pain, morphine might just cut quite a bit deeper than oxy, at least in my experience and my lower back pain... and then the breakthrough doses of oxy help a lot with that fast quick relief and to kinda add some additional pain killing properties that morphine just doesn't have
 

cajunbulldog

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I am on hydrocodone 10mg four times daily. Drug tests were used when I was on Tylenol 3's and later to hydro. I bitched about it but passed all of my drug tests.
 

spex

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My only experience is with codeine. It registers on the test the same as morphine or oxy unless anything has changed. The panel is labeled MOR. I see lots of good advice in this thread. 48 hours to clear your system, a week to be on the safe side. Plenty of water as mentioned. For peace of mind I would spring for an at-home test before going in for the official test.
 

illbananas

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Hydrocodone, Codeine, Hydromorphone, and Morphine will result in a positive OPI panel, however oxycodone will NOT. Most panels, including the most common 16-panel test do not have OXY panels on them. A specific OXY panel is needed to detect Oxycodone. I take a UA every three months for Pain Management and I am negative across the board on the test as they do not have an Oxy Panel on it, and the presence of Oxycodone is only confirmed when my results come back from LabCorp. Oxycodone panels can be purchased at a reasonable price on Amazon.
 

Chancer

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@illbananas Thats quite interesting. I take both Morphine SR and OxyNorm liquid IR (thats for breakthrough pain). I don't do drug tests but I have had a few blood tests for other medical reasons recently. I know blood or urine isn't as great as a hair follicle test so would either/or show both?

I'm not worried personally since I'm prescribed and never overuse pain meds but, I'm sure the answer would benefit other members under different circumstances. I am surprised since Oxy and Codeine are closely linked so would it show on the panel as Codeine?
 

Chancer

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@Chancer i like the morphine and oxy combo as well

cuz i noticed that if u got real pain, morphine might just cut quite a bit deeper than oxy, at least in my experience and my lower back pain... and then the breakthrough doses of oxy help a lot with that fast quick relief and to kinda add some additional pain killing properties that morphine just doesn't have
Thats exactly my experience. I dont do well with Codeine based meds and when I was on Oxy SR I had terrible side effects (anxiety/insomnia etc). However, I do find the Oxy really does help more in the high pain department and it only lasting 4 hours reduces the side effects for me. So its a perfect combo for me. I actually discovered it in Thialand when my GP gave me a letter to get Oxy when I travelled however, Thialand doesn't have a licence for Oxy so they gave me the alternative dose of Morphine and I noticed the reduction in side effects quite quickly. So once I returned to the UK my GP helped switch me over, strangely the Morphone IR liquid didnt agree with my pain needs so thats how I ended up with the combo.
 

illbananas

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@illbananas Thats quite interesting. I take both Morphine SR and OxyNorm liquid IR (thats for breakthrough pain). I don't do drug tests but I have had a few blood tests for other medical reasons recently. I know blood or urine isn't as great as a hair follicle test so would either/or show both?

I'm not worried personally since I'm prescribed and never overuse pain meds but, I'm sure the answer would benefit other members under different circumstances. I am surprised since Oxy and Codeine are closely linked so would it show on the panel as Codeine?
All three sample types (blood, urine, and hair) could show and differentiate between morphine and oxycodone if the panels order called for such testing. With blood, it could only be detected while it is in your system. In the case of oxycodone, it has around a 4 hour half life. A drug is considered 'out of your system/blood' after five half lives have passed. For oxycodone that would be 20 hours or about a day (5 x 4 hours).

With a hair follicle, it could detected until you cut the last segment off from the last time you took oxycodone. However, in the US they only look back 90 days to be fair, as to not give males who typically keep their hair shorter, an advantage over females in drug detection.

Codeine would show up positive on an OPI panel. Codeine is a prodrug, meaning the chemical of codeine is not actually the chemical that stimulates your opiate receptor, after your body metabolizes codeine, your body turns it into morphine and the morphine is what actually stimulates your opiate receptors. Codeine is self-limiting in nature, as your body can only convert so much of it.

@Chancer I did not know Oxycodone was prescribed readily in the UK. I remember looking it up a decade ago, and for some reason I thought I recall reading it was not a popular pain killer over there. In the United States it has been the most popular pain killer for sometime, along with Hydrocodone. Is my recollection, or has it always been readily prescribed in the UK? Also, is it really a liquid tincture of straight oxycodone? Here that would be injected by addicts and turn into the most desired street drug in the country.

Interesting thing about the United States is it is much harder to get pure Oxycodone without Tylenol; the only reason they add the Tylenol is to prevent abuse. It makes it impossible to take via intranasal or IV with the Tylenol and they'd rather an addict destroy their liver taking than get high, if they try to take high doses orally. When you hear the brands Percocet and Vicodin spoken of, they are the brand names of the Oxycodone and Hydrocodone respectively, mixed with Tylenol - doses are 5, 7.5, 10mg of the opiate, always with 325mg of Tylenol.
 

illbananas

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@Chancer i like the morphine and oxy combo as well

cuz i noticed that if u got real pain, morphine might just cut quite a bit deeper than oxy, at least in my experience and my lower back pain... and then the breakthrough doses of oxy help a lot with that fast quick relief and to kinda add some additional pain killing properties that morphine just doesn't have
Thats exactly my experience. I dont do well with Codeine based meds and when I was on Oxy SR I had terrible side effects (anxiety/insomnia etc). However, I do find the Oxy really does help more in the high pain department and it only lasting 4 hours reduces the side effects for me. So its a perfect combo for me. I actually discovered it in Thialand when my GP gave me a letter to get Oxy when I travelled however, Thialand doesn't have a licence for Oxy so they gave me the alternative dose of Morphine and I noticed the reduction in side effects quite quickly. So once I returned to the UK my GP helped switch me over, strangely the Morphone IR liquid didnt agree with my pain needs so thats how I ended up with the combo.
It's funny you say that because my experience is exactly the same. My pain management doctor tried me on Oxycodone SR years ago and I had the same side-effects. It felt like an entirely different drug to me. Additionally, my Libido dropped to 0%. I love the IR Oxycodone for the same reason of the side effects being much less.

In the United States, at least in my part of the country, I do not hear of oral Morphine IR being offered or utilized that often. Usually it's MS Continue, which is Morphine SR. Were you on Morphine SR or IR?

I can pretty easily get my pain management doctor to rotate opiates, but getting my Morphine Equivalent dose increased is harder. I am thinking of asking to rotate to Dilaudid (Hydromorphone) when I see her in three weeks, as opiate rotation at the equivalent Morphine Equivalent dose, can provide a greater analgesic effect because your body is not used to it. However, once I am rotated, it's hard to get rotated to something else for the next year, as they don't like repeatedly switching you as it raises eyebrows with big brother (DEA). I make my rotation selection very carefully!

I would love to hear from a fellow pain patient what you have had good luck with for pain control. I have had multiple surgeries done at L4/L5 and the last one was failed and main my pain much worse. I'm currently on the max dose of Lyrica, in addition to Percocet IR.
 

Chancer

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@illbananas Yes, it's been prescribed here for at least a decade. I had my car accident 10 years ago and fractured L1 (literally snapped in two) and L2 (Compression fracture) and that was what they literally started me on in the hospital. I'd honestly never heard of it until I googled it after leaving the hospital and it was mostly US based info I found. It was still under patent from Napp Pharma at the the time in the UK.

In the hospital I was getting IV and IR (I couldn't sit up and had to lie flat, I remember the indigestion was terrible). Once I was released they eventually put me on SR and IR Oxy and thats when I really noticed the side effects, they helped with the pain but the side effects were near unbearable. The trip to Thialand was a complete fluke with them not having a licence for it, hence the switch to the Morphine equivalent dosage. My GP had already tried switching to everything else from Tramadol, DF118s and Codeine etc etc but strangely never morphine.

When I came home from Thialand the Morphine the GP gave me first was awful 'Zomorph', nothing like the quality I had in Thialand. They were capsules with little beads and they clearly didn't work AT ALL, I nearly went back on Oxy after that experience thinking it was perhaps the weather more than the Morphine that helped and was prepared to deal with the side effects rather than the pain. However, my GP changed it to it a different more 'popular' brand which done the job. However, the breakthrough pain was awful with Morphine IR liquid (I remember it being so sweet it felt like it was literally rotting my teeth every time I took it, on top of being unproductive painwise) so they switched me back to Oxy liquid IR (1mg/ml).

Interestingly, they just switched from Napp to a different brand and its not the same AT ALL. It reminds me of when you buy the generic Ibuleve gel thats more water than gel. Also interesting, on the box the bottle comes in it says 'Each 1ml contains 0.9 mg as oxycodene hydrochloride 1mg'. Which sounds like someone's struggling with Mathematics. 🤷‍♀️
 

Chancer

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I would love to hear from a fellow pain patient what you have had good luck with for pain control. I have had multiple surgeries done at L4/L5 and the last one was failed and main my pain much worse. I'm currently on the max dose of Lyrica, in addition to Percocet IR
I went to a Neurological Surgeon in London about having surgery on my L1 and L2 fractures. He told me that he could do the surgery but it would literally only buy me 10 years before the pain would start travelling further up my spine (something to do with the method they use reducing the spines flexibility).

I opted out of having the surgery after that and just adapted to the pain and the pain meds. I was genuinely desperate to come off the pain meds but, I knew getting back on them in a decade would be much harder than staying on them for an already ongoing issue. It certainly felt like he was indirectly telling me not to have the surgery and I respected his honesty.

It sounds like you are experiencing exactly what he described to me would happen?
 

CountryKing

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I have never ever been tested for benzos, I have for Coke and weed but they came back negative as I don’t touch those.
 

cajunbulldog

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@CountryKing I have been tested for 12 panel shows damn near everything. My saving grace is I keep practice informed of all drugs prescribed to me as well as over the counter crap.
 

Chancer

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@cajunbulldog Same here, I always get a prescription for Diazepam once in a while and keep them. So if they do decide to test me then I can show I still have some prescribed meds left.
 

Torr

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In my experience anything that is scheduled is generally tested for by a doctor. Especially if you see a specialist for any of these types of medications.
 
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